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		<title>By: UserGoogol</title>
		<link>http://www.juliansanchez.com/2010/01/25/last-thought-on-citizens-united/comment-page-1/#comment-10541</link>
		<dc:creator>UserGoogol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 03:19:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Noah Yetter: The phrase &quot;free speech&quot; itself has a hell of a lot of ambiguity in it. If it merely prevented Congress from passing laws restricting the ability of people to engage in the spoken word, it would be the most useless thing ever, so it is not meant to be taken literally but to refer to an abstract concept. But when you have an abstract idea, you have to ask how far the idea goes. 

In a sense, every action is speech, because every action conveys some of the ideas of the actor. It&#039;s a question of what sort of non-speech components an action can have before it stops being purely speech and you can start regulating those actions as a consequence of those other consequences.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Noah Yetter: The phrase &#8220;free speech&#8221; itself has a hell of a lot of ambiguity in it. If it merely prevented Congress from passing laws restricting the ability of people to engage in the spoken word, it would be the most useless thing ever, so it is not meant to be taken literally but to refer to an abstract concept. But when you have an abstract idea, you have to ask how far the idea goes. </p>
<p>In a sense, every action is speech, because every action conveys some of the ideas of the actor. It&#8217;s a question of what sort of non-speech components an action can have before it stops being purely speech and you can start regulating those actions as a consequence of those other consequences.</p>
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		<title>By: David T</title>
		<link>http://www.juliansanchez.com/2010/01/25/last-thought-on-citizens-united/comment-page-1/#comment-10540</link>
		<dc:creator>David T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 19:33:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Corporate personhood may be irrelevant to the First Amendment.  But if the question arises as to whether to apply *Citizens United* to the states, it is hard to see how the issue can be irrelevant, since presumably this can only be done via the Fourteenth Amendment which forbids any state from denying any *person* life, liberty, or property without due process of law...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Corporate personhood may be irrelevant to the First Amendment.  But if the question arises as to whether to apply *Citizens United* to the states, it is hard to see how the issue can be irrelevant, since presumably this can only be done via the Fourteenth Amendment which forbids any state from denying any *person* life, liberty, or property without due process of law&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph Biehl</title>
		<link>http://www.juliansanchez.com/2010/01/25/last-thought-on-citizens-united/comment-page-1/#comment-10532</link>
		<dc:creator>Joseph Biehl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 20:00:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Got it, David, thanks.  I realized the decision wasn&#039;t about contributions but I conflated the two in my worry here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Got it, David, thanks.  I realized the decision wasn&#8217;t about contributions but I conflated the two in my worry here.</p>
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		<title>By: David Nieporent</title>
		<link>http://www.juliansanchez.com/2010/01/25/last-thought-on-citizens-united/comment-page-1/#comment-10531</link>
		<dc:creator>David Nieporent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 01:25:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Julian, I appreciate that, but my concern was something different (and stems from an incomplete grasp of just what purely public financing of electoral campaigns actually amounts to): in a purely public system, could Citizen’s United show their film? If money contributions are considered a form of speech, is the preclusion of private contributions and infringement?&lt;/i&gt;

Despite all the hysterical handwringing from the usual suspects, Citizens United was not about &quot;contributions&quot; at all, so whether we have public financing or not wouldn&#039;t change the fact that Citizens United could air their film.  The case was solely about independent expenditures, not contributions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Julian, I appreciate that, but my concern was something different (and stems from an incomplete grasp of just what purely public financing of electoral campaigns actually amounts to): in a purely public system, could Citizen’s United show their film? If money contributions are considered a form of speech, is the preclusion of private contributions and infringement?</i></p>
<p>Despite all the hysterical handwringing from the usual suspects, Citizens United was not about &#8220;contributions&#8221; at all, so whether we have public financing or not wouldn&#8217;t change the fact that Citizens United could air their film.  The case was solely about independent expenditures, not contributions.</p>
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		<title>By: jill starr</title>
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		<dc:creator>jill starr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 00:11:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What It’s Like to Chill Out With Whom the World Considers the Most                Ruthless Men in the World Ratko Mladic, Radovan Karadzic and Goran                Hadzic (+) Confessions of a Female War Crimes Investigator


	Retrospectively, it was all so simple, natural and matter of fact being on a boat restaurant in Belgrade, sitting with, laughing, drinking a two hundred bottle of wine and chatting about war and peace while Ratko Mladic held my hand.  Mladic,  a man considered the world’s most ruthless war criminal since Adolf Hitler, still at large and currently having a five million dollar bounty on his head for genocide by the international community.  Yet there I was with my two best friends at the time, a former Serbian diplomat, his wife, and Ratko Mladic just chilling.  There was no security, nothing you’d ordinarily expect in such circumstances.  Referring to himself merely as, Sharko; this is the story of it all came about.

http://sites.google.com/site/jillstarrsite/what-it-s-like-to-chill-out-with-whom-the-rest-of-the-world-considers-as-the-most-ruthless-men-in-the-world-ratko-mladic-and-radovan-karadzic-confessions-of-a-female-war-crimes-investigator
(Read My Entire Book Here For Free Now).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What It’s Like to Chill Out With Whom the World Considers the Most                Ruthless Men in the World Ratko Mladic, Radovan Karadzic and Goran                Hadzic (+) Confessions of a Female War Crimes Investigator</p>
<p>	Retrospectively, it was all so simple, natural and matter of fact being on a boat restaurant in Belgrade, sitting with, laughing, drinking a two hundred bottle of wine and chatting about war and peace while Ratko Mladic held my hand.  Mladic,  a man considered the world’s most ruthless war criminal since Adolf Hitler, still at large and currently having a five million dollar bounty on his head for genocide by the international community.  Yet there I was with my two best friends at the time, a former Serbian diplomat, his wife, and Ratko Mladic just chilling.  There was no security, nothing you’d ordinarily expect in such circumstances.  Referring to himself merely as, Sharko; this is the story of it all came about.</p>
<p><a href="http://sites.google.com/site/jillstarrsite/what-it-s-like-to-chill-out-with-whom-the-rest-of-the-world-considers-as-the-most-ruthless-men-in-the-world-ratko-mladic-and-radovan-karadzic-confessions-of-a-female-war-crimes-investigator" rel="nofollow">http://sites.google.com/site/jillstarrsite/what-it-s-like-to-chill-out-with-whom-the-rest-of-the-world-considers-as-the-most-ruthless-men-in-the-world-ratko-mladic-and-radovan-karadzic-confessions-of-a-female-war-crimes-investigator</a><br />
(Read My Entire Book Here For Free Now).</p>
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		<title>By: Larry</title>
		<link>http://www.juliansanchez.com/2010/01/25/last-thought-on-citizens-united/comment-page-1/#comment-10528</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:36:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My impression is that the concern is based on foreign corporations controlled by foreign governments whose interests are not aligned with those of the United States having this avenue to influence things here. 

In this case, I don&#039;t believe all inputs are equal, since we are talking about rights of US citizens under our Constitution.

As far as it not being clear yet, what would prevent it with the current state of play?

I don&#039;t pretend to know enough to say if this is a real problem or not, but I find it troubling and would like to read more about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My impression is that the concern is based on foreign corporations controlled by foreign governments whose interests are not aligned with those of the United States having this avenue to influence things here. </p>
<p>In this case, I don&#8217;t believe all inputs are equal, since we are talking about rights of US citizens under our Constitution.</p>
<p>As far as it not being clear yet, what would prevent it with the current state of play?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t pretend to know enough to say if this is a real problem or not, but I find it troubling and would like to read more about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Julian Sanchez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julian Sanchez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 13:36:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think that&#039;s clear yet, but really, so what?  Let them.  The more inputs the better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s clear yet, but really, so what?  Let them.  The more inputs the better.</p>
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		<title>By: Quote Of The Day at Hispanic Pundit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quote Of The Day at Hispanic Pundit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 07:35:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] be necessary to avoid carving a huge loophole in protections for political speech.&#8221; &#8212; Julian Sanchez   Share and Enjoy: These icons link to social bookmarking sites where readers can share and [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] be necessary to avoid carving a huge loophole in protections for political speech.&#8221; &#8212; Julian Sanchez   Share and Enjoy: These icons link to social bookmarking sites where readers can share and [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Larry</title>
		<link>http://www.juliansanchez.com/2010/01/25/last-thought-on-citizens-united/comment-page-1/#comment-10521</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 20:45:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to see some comments on the view that the decision gives foreign-owned corporations the opportunity to influence US elections.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to see some comments on the view that the decision gives foreign-owned corporations the opportunity to influence US elections.</p>
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		<title>By: DivisionByZero</title>
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		<dc:creator>DivisionByZero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 13:00:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I agree that first principles are sufficient to justify over-ruling the CU vs. FEC case is it really necessary to throw out all campaign finance reform?  Obviously the justices argue that it does in their decision but I&#039;m not convinced.  The reasoning seems contrived in order to achieve the result of overturning campaign finance reform rather than resolving the legal issues in front of them.  So much for activist judges only being progressives.  Apparently conservatives want in on the action, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I agree that first principles are sufficient to justify over-ruling the CU vs. FEC case is it really necessary to throw out all campaign finance reform?  Obviously the justices argue that it does in their decision but I&#8217;m not convinced.  The reasoning seems contrived in order to achieve the result of overturning campaign finance reform rather than resolving the legal issues in front of them.  So much for activist judges only being progressives.  Apparently conservatives want in on the action, too.</p>
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