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	<title>Comments on: But It&#8217;s a GENUINE Fake Nobel</title>
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		<title>By: Julian Sanchez</title>
		<link>http://www.juliansanchez.com/2009/10/12/but-its-a-genuine-fake-nobel/comment-page-1/#comment-9611</link>
		<dc:creator>Julian Sanchez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 05:44:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, yes, Ron Paul predicted it too. This and the last dozen recessions that didn&#039;t happen. I&#039;ll remember to be impressed after my lobotomy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, yes, Ron Paul predicted it too. This and the last dozen recessions that didn&#8217;t happen. I&#8217;ll remember to be impressed after my lobotomy.</p>
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		<title>By: Barry</title>
		<link>http://www.juliansanchez.com/2009/10/12/but-its-a-genuine-fake-nobel/comment-page-1/#comment-9593</link>
		<dc:creator>Barry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 15:10:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>7 Julian Sanchez 

&quot;I also find it a little absurd to see people suddenly talking like economics is on par with phrenology because most economists failed to predict the subprime meltdown. Complex systems are hard to make predictions about even when there really are (relatively) simple, rigid laws governing the constituent elements.&quot;

Well, I haven&#039;t noticed any humility on the part of the Chicago School before the meltdown, or even now.  

As for predicting the meltdown, I&#039;ll leave that as an excerise in your Google-fu.    Along with warnings about the bad effects of repealing so many New Deal-era banking regulations (whocudanode that they were there for good reason?).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>7 Julian Sanchez </p>
<p>&#8220;I also find it a little absurd to see people suddenly talking like economics is on par with phrenology because most economists failed to predict the subprime meltdown. Complex systems are hard to make predictions about even when there really are (relatively) simple, rigid laws governing the constituent elements.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, I haven&#8217;t noticed any humility on the part of the Chicago School before the meltdown, or even now.  </p>
<p>As for predicting the meltdown, I&#8217;ll leave that as an excerise in your Google-fu.    Along with warnings about the bad effects of repealing so many New Deal-era banking regulations (whocudanode that they were there for good reason?).</p>
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		<title>By: Sigivald</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sigivald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 18:09:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Me, I think that the Peace Prize isn&#039;t a &quot;real&quot; prize, even though Alfred &lt;I&gt;did&lt;/i&gt; endow it.

Because it doesn&#039;t typically reward &lt;I&gt;results&lt;/i&gt;, it&#039;s not even as &quot;real&quot; as the Literature prize.

(Let alone Economics, which rewards real world-class economic research. As Julian mentions - while I despise Paul Krugman&#039;s &lt;I&gt;politics&lt;/i&gt; and what they&#039;ve done to his domestic political analysis, my understanding is that his work on international trade, for which he was awarded the Prize, is genuinely top notch.)

Some of the Peace recipients have done great work for mankind (Norman Borlaug), and some were great men who did great things for some class of people or some nation, if not the whole world (Martin Luther King, Jr.), but on the whole?

When you give Yasser Arafat a prize for &quot;peace&quot;, you should just stop expecting people to take it seriously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Me, I think that the Peace Prize isn&#8217;t a &#8220;real&#8221; prize, even though Alfred <i>did</i> endow it.</p>
<p>Because it doesn&#8217;t typically reward <i>results</i>, it&#8217;s not even as &#8220;real&#8221; as the Literature prize.</p>
<p>(Let alone Economics, which rewards real world-class economic research. As Julian mentions &#8211; while I despise Paul Krugman&#8217;s <i>politics</i> and what they&#8217;ve done to his domestic political analysis, my understanding is that his work on international trade, for which he was awarded the Prize, is genuinely top notch.)</p>
<p>Some of the Peace recipients have done great work for mankind (Norman Borlaug), and some were great men who did great things for some class of people or some nation, if not the whole world (Martin Luther King, Jr.), but on the whole?</p>
<p>When you give Yasser Arafat a prize for &#8220;peace&#8221;, you should just stop expecting people to take it seriously.</p>
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		<title>By: Julian Sanchez</title>
		<link>http://www.juliansanchez.com/2009/10/12/but-its-a-genuine-fake-nobel/comment-page-1/#comment-9563</link>
		<dc:creator>Julian Sanchez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 14:12:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw some people flipping out about the particular choice, saying it was political and meant as a slap at Bush--which may well have been a factor in the timing, though I don&#039;t think anyone really doubts Krugman&#039;s academic work is Nobel caliber. I didn&#039;t see so much calling the legitimacy of the award per se into question

As for the status of the field, I don&#039;t know that anyone imagines it&#039;s a &quot;hard science&quot; in the same sense as physics. I also find it a little absurd to see people suddenly talking like economics is on par with phrenology because most economists failed to predict the subprime meltdown.  Complex systems are hard to make predictions about even when there really are (relatively) simple, rigid laws governing the constituent elements.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw some people flipping out about the particular choice, saying it was political and meant as a slap at Bush&#8211;which may well have been a factor in the timing, though I don&#8217;t think anyone really doubts Krugman&#8217;s academic work is Nobel caliber. I didn&#8217;t see so much calling the legitimacy of the award per se into question</p>
<p>As for the status of the field, I don&#8217;t know that anyone imagines it&#8217;s a &#8220;hard science&#8221; in the same sense as physics. I also find it a little absurd to see people suddenly talking like economics is on par with phrenology because most economists failed to predict the subprime meltdown.  Complex systems are hard to make predictions about even when there really are (relatively) simple, rigid laws governing the constituent elements.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam C</title>
		<link>http://www.juliansanchez.com/2009/10/12/but-its-a-genuine-fake-nobel/comment-page-1/#comment-9562</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 13:35:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure, &#039;it&#039;s not a real Nobel&#039; is a cheap - and, as you say, silly - way of attacking disliked winners, but it&#039;s not at all confined to left-wing critics of free-marketers. Did you see the responses from some on the right to Paul Krugman winning?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure, &#8216;it&#8217;s not a real Nobel&#8217; is a cheap &#8211; and, as you say, silly &#8211; way of attacking disliked winners, but it&#8217;s not at all confined to left-wing critics of free-marketers. Did you see the responses from some on the right to Paul Krugman winning?</p>
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		<title>By: sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 11:17:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Matt&#039;s basically pissed, if I read him correctly, about the pretensions of economics to being some kind of hard science (read mathematical) like physics and chemistry. He&#039;s annoyed by this. I share his annoyance. The model of human action implicit in much economic theory is, if I may say so, impoverished. To borrow from Wittgenstein, what we have in much of economics is mathematical methods coupled with conceptual confusion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Matt&#8217;s basically pissed, if I read him correctly, about the pretensions of economics to being some kind of hard science (read mathematical) like physics and chemistry. He&#8217;s annoyed by this. I share his annoyance. The model of human action implicit in much economic theory is, if I may say so, impoverished. To borrow from Wittgenstein, what we have in much of economics is mathematical methods coupled with conceptual confusion.</p>
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		<title>By: southpaw</title>
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		<dc:creator>southpaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 05:46:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I could honestly care less about the internecine fights between Friedmanites and Keynesians or whatever.  Rather, it&#039;s the entire discipline of economics and its pretensions toward science that cheeses me off.  80%+ of the literature seems to be predetermined by the author&#039;s political orientation, and even more than that is reliably flattering to present trends and catastrophically wrong over the long-term.  Why should I respect a prize in that discipline?  It&#039;s just a Nobel for reading entrails.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I could honestly care less about the internecine fights between Friedmanites and Keynesians or whatever.  Rather, it&#8217;s the entire discipline of economics and its pretensions toward science that cheeses me off.  80%+ of the literature seems to be predetermined by the author&#8217;s political orientation, and even more than that is reliably flattering to present trends and catastrophically wrong over the long-term.  Why should I respect a prize in that discipline?  It&#8217;s just a Nobel for reading entrails.</p>
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		<title>By: DivisionByZero</title>
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		<dc:creator>DivisionByZero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 22:44:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am still waiting for them to establish the Nobel prize in philosophy.  ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am still waiting for them to establish the Nobel prize in philosophy.  <img src='http://www.juliansanchez.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Yglesias &#187; Nobels</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew Yglesias &#187; Nobels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 22:27:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Swedish Central Bank economics prize isn&#8217;t a &#8220;real&#8221; Nobel Prize. Julian Sanchez goes so far as to suggest that this is all part of a vast left-wing conspiracy to discredit the late Milton Friedman. I [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Swedish Central Bank economics prize isn&#8217;t a &#8220;real&#8221; Nobel Prize. Julian Sanchez goes so far as to suggest that this is all part of a vast left-wing conspiracy to discredit the late Milton Friedman. I [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 21:03:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is that really the reason? I wasn&#039;t aware that any extra animosity was held towards the Economics prize due to the people who&#039;ve won it; again, freaking Kissinger has a freaking Peace Prize (as does Arafat, or Sadat, if you want someone equally ridiculous but less close-to-home).   This seems more like a misguided sense that &quot;genuineness&quot; is to be strived for than a misguided attempt to discredit a prize that someone unsavory has won in the past.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is that really the reason? I wasn&#8217;t aware that any extra animosity was held towards the Economics prize due to the people who&#8217;ve won it; again, freaking Kissinger has a freaking Peace Prize (as does Arafat, or Sadat, if you want someone equally ridiculous but less close-to-home).   This seems more like a misguided sense that &#8220;genuineness&#8221; is to be strived for than a misguided attempt to discredit a prize that someone unsavory has won in the past.</p>
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