<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: Pseudonymity &amp; Accountability Redux</title>
	<atom:link href="http://www.juliansanchez.com/2009/06/09/pseudonymity-accountability-redux/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://www.juliansanchez.com/2009/06/09/pseudonymity-accountability-redux/</link>
	<description>Just another geek in the geek kingdom</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 05:38:37 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2</generator>
	<item>
		<title>By: unique</title>
		<link>http://www.juliansanchez.com/2009/06/09/pseudonymity-accountability-redux/comment-page-1/#comment-7978</link>
		<dc:creator>unique</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 05:40:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.juliansanchez.com/?p=3246#comment-7978</guid>
		<description>I think the answer is simple, especially for those who have a difficulty with someone not accurately identifying themselves - simply use the fingerprint scanner that seems standard equipment on modern laptops, and sign your posts with your thumbprint.

I am waiting for the applause of those who abhor that old chestnut about how no one on the Internet knows you are a dog to be reach a crescendo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the answer is simple, especially for those who have a difficulty with someone not accurately identifying themselves &#8211; simply use the fingerprint scanner that seems standard equipment on modern laptops, and sign your posts with your thumbprint.</p>
<p>I am waiting for the applause of those who abhor that old chestnut about how no one on the Internet knows you are a dog to be reach a crescendo.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Demosthenes</title>
		<link>http://www.juliansanchez.com/2009/06/09/pseudonymity-accountability-redux/comment-page-1/#comment-7974</link>
		<dc:creator>Demosthenes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 21:36:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.juliansanchez.com/?p=3246#comment-7974</guid>
		<description>As a long-time pseudonymous blogger, I agree thoroughly with Julian&#039;s take: both on the fact that any pseudonym-bearing-blog is a serious, long term project that one doesn&#039;t want to jettison so easily, and the point in the addendum that so many of the opponents are writers who &lt;i&gt;trade&lt;/i&gt; on their names. 

MBunge: What personal facts could possibly be relevant? Pseudonymity strips any possibility of argument from authority, and it is authority that is usually in question when conflicts of interest arise. 

A doctor who is being paid to advocate a medicine doesn&#039;t have a conflict of interest because he&#039;s a pitchman, but because he&#039;s trading on the credibility afforded him by being a &lt;i&gt;doctor&lt;/i&gt;. If he used a pseudonym to pitch the drug, the possibility that he could benefit financially from it would be naturally present no matter who he was, and would be a part of any attempt to judge the arguments&#039; credibility.

And to claim that there is any &quot;fairness&quot; between someone with a secure bully pulpit vs. someone without one is just perverse.  Have you even HEARD of SLAPP suits, MBunge?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a long-time pseudonymous blogger, I agree thoroughly with Julian&#8217;s take: both on the fact that any pseudonym-bearing-blog is a serious, long term project that one doesn&#8217;t want to jettison so easily, and the point in the addendum that so many of the opponents are writers who <i>trade</i> on their names. </p>
<p>MBunge: What personal facts could possibly be relevant? Pseudonymity strips any possibility of argument from authority, and it is authority that is usually in question when conflicts of interest arise. </p>
<p>A doctor who is being paid to advocate a medicine doesn&#8217;t have a conflict of interest because he&#8217;s a pitchman, but because he&#8217;s trading on the credibility afforded him by being a <i>doctor</i>. If he used a pseudonym to pitch the drug, the possibility that he could benefit financially from it would be naturally present no matter who he was, and would be a part of any attempt to judge the arguments&#8217; credibility.</p>
<p>And to claim that there is any &#8220;fairness&#8221; between someone with a secure bully pulpit vs. someone without one is just perverse.  Have you even HEARD of SLAPP suits, MBunge?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Amy</title>
		<link>http://www.juliansanchez.com/2009/06/09/pseudonymity-accountability-redux/comment-page-1/#comment-7973</link>
		<dc:creator>Amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 20:08:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.juliansanchez.com/?p=3246#comment-7973</guid>
		<description>&quot;And Mark Felt didn’t make his charges pseudononymously. He made then anonymously.&quot;

So your position is that I can express my thoughts without having my identity revealed, but only if I allow someone else to do my writing for me?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And Mark Felt didn’t make his charges pseudononymously. He made then anonymously.&#8221;</p>
<p>So your position is that I can express my thoughts without having my identity revealed, but only if I allow someone else to do my writing for me?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: MBunge</title>
		<link>http://www.juliansanchez.com/2009/06/09/pseudonymity-accountability-redux/comment-page-1/#comment-7972</link>
		<dc:creator>MBunge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 19:56:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.juliansanchez.com/?p=3246#comment-7972</guid>
		<description>&quot;As for when choices imposes obligations: what one has not voluntarily exposed falls under the background presumption that you do not introduce irrelevant personal facts about a debate opponent into the discussion as a way of penalizing them, even if you have yourself been freely willing to share personal facts.&quot;


Now you&#039;re the one introducing a non sequitur.

1.  Someone&#039;s name is not &quot;background information&quot;.

2.  If you don&#039;t know who the hell you&#039;re debating with, you can&#039;t possibly know what personal facts about them can or cannot be relevant to the discussion.

3.  Whelen didn&#039;t seek out and engage publius, it was the other way around.  The idea that pseudononymous bloggers can take shots at public bloggers while remaining behind the shield of a pseudonym strikes me as far more corrupting to discourse that requiring people to put their names to their opinions.

And Mark Felt didn&#039;t make his charges pseudononymously.   He made then anonymously.  W+B created the pseudonym for him and vouched for his truthfulness with their and their paper&#039;s own credibility.  I would have guessed that someone sending letters to the Post under the name Deep Throat that contained allegations against Nixon would have tossed into the circular file.


Mike</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;As for when choices imposes obligations: what one has not voluntarily exposed falls under the background presumption that you do not introduce irrelevant personal facts about a debate opponent into the discussion as a way of penalizing them, even if you have yourself been freely willing to share personal facts.&#8221;</p>
<p>Now you&#8217;re the one introducing a non sequitur.</p>
<p>1.  Someone&#8217;s name is not &#8220;background information&#8221;.</p>
<p>2.  If you don&#8217;t know who the hell you&#8217;re debating with, you can&#8217;t possibly know what personal facts about them can or cannot be relevant to the discussion.</p>
<p>3.  Whelen didn&#8217;t seek out and engage publius, it was the other way around.  The idea that pseudononymous bloggers can take shots at public bloggers while remaining behind the shield of a pseudonym strikes me as far more corrupting to discourse that requiring people to put their names to their opinions.</p>
<p>And Mark Felt didn&#8217;t make his charges pseudononymously.   He made then anonymously.  W+B created the pseudonym for him and vouched for his truthfulness with their and their paper&#8217;s own credibility.  I would have guessed that someone sending letters to the Post under the name Deep Throat that contained allegations against Nixon would have tossed into the circular file.</p>
<p>Mike</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Julian Sanchez</title>
		<link>http://www.juliansanchez.com/2009/06/09/pseudonymity-accountability-redux/comment-page-1/#comment-7970</link>
		<dc:creator>Julian Sanchez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 19:45:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.juliansanchez.com/?p=3246#comment-7970</guid>
		<description>All you&#039;ve done is assert the same non-sequitur again; it&#039;s not any more convincing this time.  And Woodward and Bernstein is a pretty odd example to pick as a case against pseudonymity. That&#039;s actually a pretty good illustration of why it&#039;s obtuse to claim equality demands &quot;fairness&quot; without looking at the circumstances. By using their names, Woodward and Bernstein became famous for their story—though if they&#039;d been writers for The Economist, they would have been required to be anonymous, presumably to their chagrin. Mark Felt, on the other hand, didn&#039;t use his name because he *wasn&#039;t* in the same position as Richard Nixon, and so there would be nothing at all fair about insisting he use his name. Indeed, if he hadn&#039;t been able to level his accusations pseudonymously, we wouldn&#039;t have had the Watergate story at all.

As for when choices imposes obligations: what one has not voluntarily exposed falls under the background presumption that you do not introduce irrelevant personal facts about a debate opponent into the discussion as a way of penalizing them, even if you have yourself been freely willing to share personal facts. The choice to use a pseudonym doesn&#039;t IMPOSE the obligation, it is a specific case of a general obligation that binds every civilized person engaged in debate until the person waives it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All you&#8217;ve done is assert the same non-sequitur again; it&#8217;s not any more convincing this time.  And Woodward and Bernstein is a pretty odd example to pick as a case against pseudonymity. That&#8217;s actually a pretty good illustration of why it&#8217;s obtuse to claim equality demands &#8220;fairness&#8221; without looking at the circumstances. By using their names, Woodward and Bernstein became famous for their story—though if they&#8217;d been writers for The Economist, they would have been required to be anonymous, presumably to their chagrin. Mark Felt, on the other hand, didn&#8217;t use his name because he *wasn&#8217;t* in the same position as Richard Nixon, and so there would be nothing at all fair about insisting he use his name. Indeed, if he hadn&#8217;t been able to level his accusations pseudonymously, we wouldn&#8217;t have had the Watergate story at all.</p>
<p>As for when choices imposes obligations: what one has not voluntarily exposed falls under the background presumption that you do not introduce irrelevant personal facts about a debate opponent into the discussion as a way of penalizing them, even if you have yourself been freely willing to share personal facts. The choice to use a pseudonym doesn&#8217;t IMPOSE the obligation, it is a specific case of a general obligation that binds every civilized person engaged in debate until the person waives it.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Doug</title>
		<link>http://www.juliansanchez.com/2009/06/09/pseudonymity-accountability-redux/comment-page-1/#comment-7969</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 19:44:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.juliansanchez.com/?p=3246#comment-7969</guid>
		<description>It would be easier to figure out which DC posts are yours if you tell me which of you is race-obsessed.  But I wonder if you can tell a difference between the civility and thoughtfulness of the DIA commenters who write under their own names versus those who use pseudonyms.  I can&#039;t and I also can&#039;t believe fear of being outed by The Economist or having your subscription cancelled is very much on anyone&#039;s mind.  

I comment there under my own name, but that&#039;s got nothing to do with anything other than I didn&#039;t really read the form I was filling out at first and I haven&#039;t bothered to create a new ID.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would be easier to figure out which DC posts are yours if you tell me which of you is race-obsessed.  But I wonder if you can tell a difference between the civility and thoughtfulness of the DIA commenters who write under their own names versus those who use pseudonyms.  I can&#8217;t and I also can&#8217;t believe fear of being outed by The Economist or having your subscription cancelled is very much on anyone&#8217;s mind.  </p>
<p>I comment there under my own name, but that&#8217;s got nothing to do with anything other than I didn&#8217;t really read the form I was filling out at first and I haven&#8217;t bothered to create a new ID.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: MBunge</title>
		<link>http://www.juliansanchez.com/2009/06/09/pseudonymity-accountability-redux/comment-page-1/#comment-7965</link>
		<dc:creator>MBunge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 19:28:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.juliansanchez.com/?p=3246#comment-7965</guid>
		<description>&quot;Why? I just reject that entirely; it’s a complete non-sequitur.&quot;


No, it&#039;s not.  It&#039;s about the basic fairness that if you&#039;ve going to go after a public figure, you shouldn&#039;t do it from the shadows.  What if the Watergate stories had been run in the Post under a pseudonym because Woodward and Bernstein were afraid to put their names on it?

Ed Whelen, for better or worse (mostly worse), is in the arena.  If publius wants to take him on he shouldn&#039;t automatically be able to do so without getting in the arena himself.

And in regards to choice, publius was free to choose a pseudonym.  How can that choice impose ethical requirements on anyone else?  You can blog under a pseudonym but no one has to respect that pseudonymity.

Mike</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Why? I just reject that entirely; it’s a complete non-sequitur.&#8221;</p>
<p>No, it&#8217;s not.  It&#8217;s about the basic fairness that if you&#8217;ve going to go after a public figure, you shouldn&#8217;t do it from the shadows.  What if the Watergate stories had been run in the Post under a pseudonym because Woodward and Bernstein were afraid to put their names on it?</p>
<p>Ed Whelen, for better or worse (mostly worse), is in the arena.  If publius wants to take him on he shouldn&#8217;t automatically be able to do so without getting in the arena himself.</p>
<p>And in regards to choice, publius was free to choose a pseudonym.  How can that choice impose ethical requirements on anyone else?  You can blog under a pseudonym but no one has to respect that pseudonymity.</p>
<p>Mike</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Julian Sanchez</title>
		<link>http://www.juliansanchez.com/2009/06/09/pseudonymity-accountability-redux/comment-page-1/#comment-7963</link>
		<dc:creator>Julian Sanchez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 19:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.juliansanchez.com/?p=3246#comment-7963</guid>
		<description>&quot;If you call someone out by name, they have the right to call you by name.&quot;

Why?  I just reject that entirely; it&#039;s a complete non-sequitur. If you don&#039;t want to be called by name, don&#039;t USE your name.   People are at liberty to introduce all sorts of personal information about themselves into a public discussion; making that free choice for yourself gives you no rights at all with respect to anyone else.  It&#039;s also, incidentally, a pretty bogus conception of &quot;fairness&quot; that demands equality on something that is a benefit to one person—a writer and professional pundit looking to raise his profile—and a liability to the other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If you call someone out by name, they have the right to call you by name.&#8221;</p>
<p>Why?  I just reject that entirely; it&#8217;s a complete non-sequitur. If you don&#8217;t want to be called by name, don&#8217;t USE your name.   People are at liberty to introduce all sorts of personal information about themselves into a public discussion; making that free choice for yourself gives you no rights at all with respect to anyone else.  It&#8217;s also, incidentally, a pretty bogus conception of &#8220;fairness&#8221; that demands equality on something that is a benefit to one person—a writer and professional pundit looking to raise his profile—and a liability to the other.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: MBunge</title>
		<link>http://www.juliansanchez.com/2009/06/09/pseudonymity-accountability-redux/comment-page-1/#comment-7962</link>
		<dc:creator>MBunge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 18:50:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.juliansanchez.com/?p=3246#comment-7962</guid>
		<description>There are two factors in the debate over pseudonymity that you&#039;ve passed over.

1.  Does the appropriateness of the shield of pseudonymity decrease as the bloggers commentary/prominance/influence increases?  It seems sort of odd to contend that someone who participates in the public discourse on the level of, say, publius, needs or should have the same level of anonymity as someone who occasionally posts to comment threads on the blogs of others.

2.  If you call someone out by name, they have the right to call you by name.  When a pseudononymous blogger goes beyond talking about issues and starts engaging with other bloggers, particularly those blogging under their real names, it is unfair for them to remain in the shadows.  If you want to be in the arena, get in the damn arena stop using a megaphone to yell from the crowd.

Mike</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are two factors in the debate over pseudonymity that you&#8217;ve passed over.</p>
<p>1.  Does the appropriateness of the shield of pseudonymity decrease as the bloggers commentary/prominance/influence increases?  It seems sort of odd to contend that someone who participates in the public discourse on the level of, say, publius, needs or should have the same level of anonymity as someone who occasionally posts to comment threads on the blogs of others.</p>
<p>2.  If you call someone out by name, they have the right to call you by name.  When a pseudononymous blogger goes beyond talking about issues and starts engaging with other bloggers, particularly those blogging under their real names, it is unfair for them to remain in the shadows.  If you want to be in the arena, get in the damn arena stop using a megaphone to yell from the crowd.</p>
<p>Mike</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Julian Sanchez</title>
		<link>http://www.juliansanchez.com/2009/06/09/pseudonymity-accountability-redux/comment-page-1/#comment-7961</link>
		<dc:creator>Julian Sanchez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 18:49:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.juliansanchez.com/?p=3246#comment-7961</guid>
		<description>Again, that&#039;s a question of norms, isn&#039;t it? In some cultures, you should &quot;expect&quot; that if you insult someone like that in a public debate, they&#039;ll haul off and punch you in the face--or challenge you to a duel, for that matter. In the circles I run in, the &quot;reaction&quot; will be either to point out that one&#039;s opponent is being crass or to return fire in kind. The question in both cases is what kind of response to an insult is reasonable, and how we collectively answer that question determines what someone &quot;should expect&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again, that&#8217;s a question of norms, isn&#8217;t it? In some cultures, you should &#8220;expect&#8221; that if you insult someone like that in a public debate, they&#8217;ll haul off and punch you in the face&#8211;or challenge you to a duel, for that matter. In the circles I run in, the &#8220;reaction&#8221; will be either to point out that one&#8217;s opponent is being crass or to return fire in kind. The question in both cases is what kind of response to an insult is reasonable, and how we collectively answer that question determines what someone &#8220;should expect&#8221;.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>

