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		<title>By: Joey Giraud</title>
		<link>http://www.juliansanchez.com/2009/06/02/its-ok-if-theyre-conservative-right/comment-page-1/#comment-7934</link>
		<dc:creator>Joey Giraud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 23:16:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess I&#039;m weird. I would never want to have sex with any woman, no matter how sexy or &quot;hot&quot; she looked, if her mind was filled with toxic waste.

There are plenty of beautiful liberal women, they just don&#039;t get hired to talk politics on national television.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess I&#8217;m weird. I would never want to have sex with any woman, no matter how sexy or &#8220;hot&#8221; she looked, if her mind was filled with toxic waste.</p>
<p>There are plenty of beautiful liberal women, they just don&#8217;t get hired to talk politics on national television.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://www.juliansanchez.com/2009/06/02/its-ok-if-theyre-conservative-right/comment-page-1/#comment-7923</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 11:20:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John,

If you read the Playboy feature (which no longer seems to be available), it seems pretty clear that &quot;hate-fuck&quot; is meant to be mutual: the women hate you and you hate them. It&#039;s also quite explicit that any lust is also mutual.

The Playboy editors are acutely aware of any implied messages of sexual assault, in either text or image. It&#039;s one of the few areas of sexual politics where they have a zero-tolerance policy.

I never intended to imply that Julian harbors his own rape fantasies, or that he secretly hates women; I regret that my comment could be interpreted that way.

My experience is that those who see rape when others see sex are often the with the most protective attitudes towards women. The trouble is that such protection often results in a failure to respect and appreciate their sexuality, which results in instinctive prejudice both against men (whose sexuality always borders on rape) and against women (whose sexuality always borders on helplessness and victimhood).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John,</p>
<p>If you read the Playboy feature (which no longer seems to be available), it seems pretty clear that &#8220;hate-fuck&#8221; is meant to be mutual: the women hate you and you hate them. It&#8217;s also quite explicit that any lust is also mutual.</p>
<p>The Playboy editors are acutely aware of any implied messages of sexual assault, in either text or image. It&#8217;s one of the few areas of sexual politics where they have a zero-tolerance policy.</p>
<p>I never intended to imply that Julian harbors his own rape fantasies, or that he secretly hates women; I regret that my comment could be interpreted that way.</p>
<p>My experience is that those who see rape when others see sex are often the with the most protective attitudes towards women. The trouble is that such protection often results in a failure to respect and appreciate their sexuality, which results in instinctive prejudice both against men (whose sexuality always borders on rape) and against women (whose sexuality always borders on helplessness and victimhood).</p>
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		<title>By: USpace</title>
		<link>http://www.juliansanchez.com/2009/06/02/its-ok-if-theyre-conservative-right/comment-page-1/#comment-7922</link>
		<dc:creator>USpace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 09:05:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>.
Neo-Liberalism is a mental disease.  Conservative women are HOTter!  But it&#039;s not hard to imagine the justified &#039;Liberal&#039; outrage if say, Hustler Magazine ran a disgusting parody where Rush, Hannity, Beck, Savage and Ann Coulter gang-rape and tickle-torture Katie Couric, the PIAPS,  and then Nancy Pelosi.

Imagine.  The outrage would last for months in the MSM.  There would be calls for firings and boycotts.  NOW would be apoplectic.  Poor little outraged, hypocritical Libs.

:)

absurd thought - 
God of the Universe says
joke about raping women

if they are conservative
EVIL freedom lovers...

.
absurd thought - 
God of the Universe says
sex is the height of evil

so is photography
but not pornography

.
absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
always rape women...

who are conservative
they&#039;re just gender traitors
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>.<br />
Neo-Liberalism is a mental disease.  Conservative women are HOTter!  But it&#8217;s not hard to imagine the justified &#8216;Liberal&#8217; outrage if say, Hustler Magazine ran a disgusting parody where Rush, Hannity, Beck, Savage and Ann Coulter gang-rape and tickle-torture Katie Couric, the PIAPS,  and then Nancy Pelosi.</p>
<p>Imagine.  The outrage would last for months in the MSM.  There would be calls for firings and boycotts.  NOW would be apoplectic.  Poor little outraged, hypocritical Libs.</p>
<p> <img src='http://www.juliansanchez.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>absurd thought &#8211;<br />
God of the Universe says<br />
joke about raping women</p>
<p>if they are conservative<br />
EVIL freedom lovers&#8230;</p>
<p>.<br />
absurd thought &#8211;<br />
God of the Universe says<br />
sex is the height of evil</p>
<p>so is photography<br />
but not pornography</p>
<p>.<br />
absurd thought -<br />
God of the Universe says<br />
always rape women&#8230;</p>
<p>who are conservative<br />
they&#8217;re just gender traitors<br />
.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 20:39:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John,

&quot; and how he would like to have sex with those women as a way of expressing his hatred and disgust&quot;

I&#039;d just like to point out that the term could also mean that he would like to have sex with those women DESPITE his hatred and disgust, rather than as a way of expressing it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John,</p>
<p>&#8221; and how he would like to have sex with those women as a way of expressing his hatred and disgust&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;d just like to point out that the term could also mean that he would like to have sex with those women DESPITE his hatred and disgust, rather than as a way of expressing it.</p>
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		<title>By: John Markley</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Markley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 02:15:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rob,

The article wasn&#039;t just about &quot;any type of heterosexual intercourse;&quot; it specified the top conservative women the author would like to &quot;hate-fuck.&quot;  Now, it&#039;s true that the term &quot;hate fuck&quot; can be used to refer to consensual intercourse.  But if a man writes an article about how intensely he despises a particular group of women, and how he would like to have sex with those women as a way of expressing his hatred and disgust, you don&#039;t have to be Andrea Dworkin to read that the same way Sanchez did.  

Even if he&#039;s mistaken, it&#039;s not an obviously absurd take on the article; he&#039;s not just conjuring the nasty undertones in the article out of thin air.  It&#039;s incredibly sleazy to imply that Sanchez&#039;s interpretation demonstrates some sort of secret misogyny or lust for violence on his part.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rob,</p>
<p>The article wasn&#8217;t just about &#8220;any type of heterosexual intercourse;&#8221; it specified the top conservative women the author would like to &#8220;hate-fuck.&#8221;  Now, it&#8217;s true that the term &#8220;hate fuck&#8221; can be used to refer to consensual intercourse.  But if a man writes an article about how intensely he despises a particular group of women, and how he would like to have sex with those women as a way of expressing his hatred and disgust, you don&#8217;t have to be Andrea Dworkin to read that the same way Sanchez did.  </p>
<p>Even if he&#8217;s mistaken, it&#8217;s not an obviously absurd take on the article; he&#8217;s not just conjuring the nasty undertones in the article out of thin air.  It&#8217;s incredibly sleazy to imply that Sanchez&#8217;s interpretation demonstrates some sort of secret misogyny or lust for violence on his part.</p>
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		<title>By: wonkie</title>
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		<dc:creator>wonkie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 03:51:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeez, I really did not see all those typos.  &quot;Target is&quot;, not &quot;gargetis&quot;. One &quot;n&quot; in conservative. Comma afgter &quot;No&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeez, I really did not see all those typos.  &#8220;Target is&#8221;, not &#8220;gargetis&#8221;. One &#8220;n&#8221; in conservative. Comma afgter &#8220;No&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: wonkie</title>
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		<dc:creator>wonkie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 03:49:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven&#039;t seen any coverage of this on the liberal side. It&#039;s mostly been ignored.


No rape fantasies are not Ok just because the gargetis a connservative. Yuck.

On the other hand, am I blaming the victim if I mention that Ann Coulter dresses like a dominatrix? I think it&#039;s intentional. Something to do with her perception of the mentality of her fans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t seen any coverage of this on the liberal side. It&#8217;s mostly been ignored.</p>
<p>No rape fantasies are not Ok just because the gargetis a connservative. Yuck.</p>
<p>On the other hand, am I blaming the victim if I mention that Ann Coulter dresses like a dominatrix? I think it&#8217;s intentional. Something to do with her perception of the mentality of her fans.</p>
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		<title>By: Barry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 14:10:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Julian:  &quot;I really just meant: “How can these pricks not realize what they’re saying is beyond the pale, according to the very principles they’re supposedly going out to fight for?”&quot;

Julian, welcome to what liberals see when they go to &#039;libertarian&#039; blogs, and scan the comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Julian:  &#8220;I really just meant: “How can these pricks not realize what they’re saying is beyond the pale, according to the very principles they’re supposedly going out to fight for?”&#8221;</p>
<p>Julian, welcome to what liberals see when they go to &#8216;libertarian&#8217; blogs, and scan the comments.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 07:49:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m actually quite offended by a lot of this reaction to the Playboy piece. It can understand decrying the piece because it sexualizes women who deserve to be lambasted for their pin-sized brains and not any other body parts, but &quot;extended rape fantasy&quot;? We&#039;re really going to revive the message that any type of heterosexual intercourse is rape?

I suggest you re-read the original piece; it seems to me that painting these subjects as sex-craving bimbos---not innocent prudes---is the main point. Feel free to be offended by that. Any rape fantasies you see, however, are not present in the source, and I can only guess that they are reflections of your own personal attitudes. Attitudes that could bear some examination.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m actually quite offended by a lot of this reaction to the Playboy piece. It can understand decrying the piece because it sexualizes women who deserve to be lambasted for their pin-sized brains and not any other body parts, but &#8220;extended rape fantasy&#8221;? We&#8217;re really going to revive the message that any type of heterosexual intercourse is rape?</p>
<p>I suggest you re-read the original piece; it seems to me that painting these subjects as sex-craving bimbos&#8212;not innocent prudes&#8212;is the main point. Feel free to be offended by that. Any rape fantasies you see, however, are not present in the source, and I can only guess that they are reflections of your own personal attitudes. Attitudes that could bear some examination.</p>
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		<title>By: sidereal</title>
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		<dc:creator>sidereal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 23:22:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
How can these pricks not realize what they’re saying is beyond the pale, according to the very principles they’re supposedly going out to fight for?
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well, they&#039;re pricks after all.  Differing standards for friends and enemies is the original ethical nut to crack.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>
How can these pricks not realize what they’re saying is beyond the pale, according to the very principles they’re supposedly going out to fight for?
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<p>Well, they&#8217;re pricks after all.  Differing standards for friends and enemies is the original ethical nut to crack.</p>
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