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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://www.juliansanchez.com/2009/06/01/will-saletans-moderation/comment-page-1/#comment-7941</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 06:19:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Julian- no extended consideration of John Brown?</description>
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		<title>By: Reinhold</title>
		<link>http://www.juliansanchez.com/2009/06/01/will-saletans-moderation/comment-page-1/#comment-7935</link>
		<dc:creator>Reinhold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 23:57:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would you mind posting on why your position is closer to Saletan&#039;s than to a pro-life one?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would you mind posting on why your position is closer to Saletan&#8217;s than to a pro-life one?</p>
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		<title>By: JD</title>
		<link>http://www.juliansanchez.com/2009/06/01/will-saletans-moderation/comment-page-1/#comment-7931</link>
		<dc:creator>JD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 20:29:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I have argued as much in the past; insofar as we need a legal line, birth is a convenient one&lt;/i&gt;

This is a remarkable view.  The question isn&#039;t whether birth is &quot;convenient&quot; (the 1 year birthday would be far more convenient, as it would allow time to decide whether one liked having a baby or not), but whether it is &lt;i&gt;moral&lt;/i&gt; to kill babies right before birth.  You seem to approve this practice -- conflating morality with convenience -- and moreover without limiting it to the handful of rare and drastic cases that arise.  Wow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I have argued as much in the past; insofar as we need a legal line, birth is a convenient one</i></p>
<p>This is a remarkable view.  The question isn&#8217;t whether birth is &#8220;convenient&#8221; (the 1 year birthday would be far more convenient, as it would allow time to decide whether one liked having a baby or not), but whether it is <i>moral</i> to kill babies right before birth.  You seem to approve this practice &#8212; conflating morality with convenience &#8212; and moreover without limiting it to the handful of rare and drastic cases that arise.  Wow.</p>
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		<title>By: MQ</title>
		<link>http://www.juliansanchez.com/2009/06/01/will-saletans-moderation/comment-page-1/#comment-7924</link>
		<dc:creator>MQ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 14:11:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“George Tiller was a brave physician who provided services few others would, and there was nothing remotely wrong with it. ”

Nice to see the moral clarity from Julian in this post. This statement is clearly true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“George Tiller was a brave physician who provided services few others would, and there was nothing remotely wrong with it. ”</p>
<p>Nice to see the moral clarity from Julian in this post. This statement is clearly true.</p>
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		<title>By: Barry</title>
		<link>http://www.juliansanchez.com/2009/06/01/will-saletans-moderation/comment-page-1/#comment-7896</link>
		<dc:creator>Barry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 18:32:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“George Tiller was a brave physician who provided services few others would, and there was nothing remotely wrong with it. ”

Arieh Smith :  &quot;There is little moral difference between infanticide and very late-term abortion. Neither is equivalent to murder, but I see no moral distinction greater than “baby is not in uterus.” If you argue that infanticide itself is not wrong, well, we part company there.&quot;

Please read this, to find out what Tiller was doing:  http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=22002</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“George Tiller was a brave physician who provided services few others would, and there was nothing remotely wrong with it. ”</p>
<p>Arieh Smith :  &#8220;There is little moral difference between infanticide and very late-term abortion. Neither is equivalent to murder, but I see no moral distinction greater than “baby is not in uterus.” If you argue that infanticide itself is not wrong, well, we part company there.&#8221;</p>
<p>Please read this, to find out what Tiller was doing:  <a href="http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=22002" rel="nofollow">http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=22002</a></p>
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		<title>By: Barry</title>
		<link>http://www.juliansanchez.com/2009/06/01/will-saletans-moderation/comment-page-1/#comment-7886</link>
		<dc:creator>Barry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 14:24:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Julian:  &quot;On the whole, I find William Saletan a sharp analyst and an engaging writer. &quot;

First, he&#039;s a Slate writer; that means that he should be judged warily.  Second, he&#039;s the editor of Slate, and so should pretty much be considered guilty until proven innocent. 

Remember his article on Rushton&#039;s &#039;research&#039;?

The man is a master of the school of debated characterized by  &quot;I didn&#039;t really mean to assert what I asserted; I just want to, um, &#039;explore&#039; some ideas&quot;.  He&#039;s the sort of guy who excuses things with the word &#039;controversial&#039;.

Ewe // Jun 2, 2009 at 5:27 pm 


&quot;One thing is clear: if the lunatic left had shown 1/100th of the level of regret at the murder of Pim Fortuyn or if even one Islamist had denounced the assassination of Theo van Gogh, we’d be way-the-fuck closer to even-Steven.&quot;

Ah, the famous &#039;even if one Islamist....&#039;

Julian, on a later post here, you expressed dismay at commenters on liberal blogs who were sexist at right-wing women.  I said that you now know how liberals feel when they read &#039;libertarian&#039; blog comment threads.   Note the left-right breakdown here, and you have a much more libertarian set of commenters than most do - go over to Reason for a bunch of right-wing WATB&#039;s who are still crying over their side losing the election (no matter how much they say that they&#039;re not with the GOP).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Julian:  &#8220;On the whole, I find William Saletan a sharp analyst and an engaging writer. &#8221;</p>
<p>First, he&#8217;s a Slate writer; that means that he should be judged warily.  Second, he&#8217;s the editor of Slate, and so should pretty much be considered guilty until proven innocent. </p>
<p>Remember his article on Rushton&#8217;s &#8216;research&#8217;?</p>
<p>The man is a master of the school of debated characterized by  &#8220;I didn&#8217;t really mean to assert what I asserted; I just want to, um, &#8216;explore&#8217; some ideas&#8221;.  He&#8217;s the sort of guy who excuses things with the word &#8216;controversial&#8217;.</p>
<p>Ewe // Jun 2, 2009 at 5:27 pm </p>
<p>&#8220;One thing is clear: if the lunatic left had shown 1/100th of the level of regret at the murder of Pim Fortuyn or if even one Islamist had denounced the assassination of Theo van Gogh, we’d be way-the-fuck closer to even-Steven.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ah, the famous &#8216;even if one Islamist&#8230;.&#8217;</p>
<p>Julian, on a later post here, you expressed dismay at commenters on liberal blogs who were sexist at right-wing women.  I said that you now know how liberals feel when they read &#8216;libertarian&#8217; blog comment threads.   Note the left-right breakdown here, and you have a much more libertarian set of commenters than most do &#8211; go over to Reason for a bunch of right-wing WATB&#8217;s who are still crying over their side losing the election (no matter how much they say that they&#8217;re not with the GOP).</p>
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		<title>By: Conventional Folly &#187; Really? Nothing?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Conventional Folly &#187; Really? Nothing?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 03:06:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] infanticide. I find it kind of discomforting when people I tend to agree with on the issue say things like &#8220;I genuinely find nothing objectionable about Tiller’s practice.&#8221; Really? You [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] infanticide. I find it kind of discomforting when people I tend to agree with on the issue say things like &#8220;I genuinely find nothing objectionable about Tiller’s practice.&#8221; Really? You [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ewe</title>
		<link>http://www.juliansanchez.com/2009/06/01/will-saletans-moderation/comment-page-1/#comment-7858</link>
		<dc:creator>Ewe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 21:27:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s funny (peculiar) how different people can discern different motivation in the statements of different groups.  The pro-life community has seemed positively contrite.

One thing is clear:   if the lunatic left had shown 1/100th of the level of regret at the murder of Pim Fortuyn or if even one Islamist had denounced the assassination of Theo van Gogh, we&#039;d be way-the-fuck closer to even-Steven.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s funny (peculiar) how different people can discern different motivation in the statements of different groups.  The pro-life community has seemed positively contrite.</p>
<p>One thing is clear:   if the lunatic left had shown 1/100th of the level of regret at the murder of Pim Fortuyn or if even one Islamist had denounced the assassination of Theo van Gogh, we&#8217;d be way-the-fuck closer to even-Steven.</p>
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		<title>By: stras jones</title>
		<link>http://www.juliansanchez.com/2009/06/01/will-saletans-moderation/comment-page-1/#comment-7857</link>
		<dc:creator>stras jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 21:03:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saletan&#039;s writing on abortion has always been as harebrained as it is irritatingly one-note. For at least half a decade now, he&#039;s been harping on the notion that (1) abortion is squicky; (2) pro-choicers have to admit that abortion is squicky, because Will Saletan finds it squicky; (3) as soon as pro-choicers admit to the shameful squickiness of abortion, they will magically win over the likes of Operation Rescue and Focus on the Family, who will then happily abandon their prohibitionist aims and join forces with feminists to form a bipartisan coalition of safe-sex education and condom distribution. The fact that this is routinely packaged as tough, gritty &quot;pragmatism&quot; is what makes it &lt;em&gt;Slate.&lt;/em&gt;

I do miss the Weekly World News, though. Where have you gone, Bat-boy? Our nation turns its lonely eyes to you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saletan&#8217;s writing on abortion has always been as harebrained as it is irritatingly one-note. For at least half a decade now, he&#8217;s been harping on the notion that (1) abortion is squicky; (2) pro-choicers have to admit that abortion is squicky, because Will Saletan finds it squicky; (3) as soon as pro-choicers admit to the shameful squickiness of abortion, they will magically win over the likes of Operation Rescue and Focus on the Family, who will then happily abandon their prohibitionist aims and join forces with feminists to form a bipartisan coalition of safe-sex education and condom distribution. The fact that this is routinely packaged as tough, gritty &#8220;pragmatism&#8221; is what makes it <em>Slate.</em></p>
<p>I do miss the Weekly World News, though. Where have you gone, Bat-boy? Our nation turns its lonely eyes to you.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob T. Levy</title>
		<link>http://www.juliansanchez.com/2009/06/01/will-saletans-moderation/comment-page-1/#comment-7851</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacob T. Levy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 20:10:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m surprised that you&#039;re surprised.  Saletan&#039;s frequent writings on abortion *always* seem to me like cheap-gimmick schlock triangulation, though he&#039;s often very good on other subjects.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m surprised that you&#8217;re surprised.  Saletan&#8217;s frequent writings on abortion *always* seem to me like cheap-gimmick schlock triangulation, though he&#8217;s often very good on other subjects.</p>
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