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		<title>By: You Want Fries with That? &#171; Neko Bijin&#8217;s Serious Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.juliansanchez.com/2009/05/19/you-want-fries-with-that/comment-page-1/#comment-8095</link>
		<dc:creator>You Want Fries with That? &#171; Neko Bijin&#8217;s Serious Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 13:14:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] juliansanchez.com: Guesting over at the Daily Dish a few weeks back, Lane Wallace recounted how a crappy job taught [...]</description>
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		<title>By: wonkie</title>
		<link>http://www.juliansanchez.com/2009/05/19/you-want-fries-with-that/comment-page-1/#comment-7734</link>
		<dc:creator>wonkie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 15:30:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have three university degrees and I have happily worked in blue or pink collar jobs most of my life. I actually enjoy the kind of job that requires little of my attention because it gives me space to think. In fact, I wrote two novels in my head while driving ...and wrote them down as soon as I got home.

Of course, that sort of life sytle is not renumerative, but I didn&#039;t need to make much money since I was married to a college drop out who had a very well paid union job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have three university degrees and I have happily worked in blue or pink collar jobs most of my life. I actually enjoy the kind of job that requires little of my attention because it gives me space to think. In fact, I wrote two novels in my head while driving &#8230;and wrote them down as soon as I got home.</p>
<p>Of course, that sort of life sytle is not renumerative, but I didn&#8217;t need to make much money since I was married to a college drop out who had a very well paid union job.</p>
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		<title>By: Highly educational &#171; The Brass Tack</title>
		<link>http://www.juliansanchez.com/2009/05/19/you-want-fries-with-that/comment-page-1/#comment-7709</link>
		<dc:creator>Highly educational &#171; The Brass Tack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 18:54:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] by thebrasstack on May 24, 2009  I think Julian Sanches is absolutely right  here.  The great value of a liberal arts education is that it prepares you to be relatively happy even [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] by thebrasstack on May 24, 2009  I think Julian Sanches is absolutely right  here.  The great value of a liberal arts education is that it prepares you to be relatively happy even [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Gil</title>
		<link>http://www.juliansanchez.com/2009/05/19/you-want-fries-with-that/comment-page-1/#comment-7695</link>
		<dc:creator>Gil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 18:03:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the education itself is a terrible deal.  Very few people who weren&#039;t already interested in reading and ideas will get changed by college.

But, the experience of spending time with other bright young people (and some good professors) and figuring out how to interact successfully with them is valuable.  It&#039;s a good way to spend some time if you don&#039;t know what you want to do to earn money (or aren&#039;t ready to start).

I hope new institutions evolve that let young people get that benefit, and a way to signal to prospective employers what talents they have, without spending outrageous amounts of money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the education itself is a terrible deal.  Very few people who weren&#8217;t already interested in reading and ideas will get changed by college.</p>
<p>But, the experience of spending time with other bright young people (and some good professors) and figuring out how to interact successfully with them is valuable.  It&#8217;s a good way to spend some time if you don&#8217;t know what you want to do to earn money (or aren&#8217;t ready to start).</p>
<p>I hope new institutions evolve that let young people get that benefit, and a way to signal to prospective employers what talents they have, without spending outrageous amounts of money.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
		<link>http://www.juliansanchez.com/2009/05/19/you-want-fries-with-that/comment-page-1/#comment-7692</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 20:41:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was a job working 8pm-8am alone on the top floor of a six-story tower spreading pesticides on seed corn (but without long, flowing locks) that convinced me to get a degree in economics.  The education in economics convinced me not to pursue a money-driven career.  Becoming the chief executive of a social service agency convinced me that commenting on blogs is my highest calling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was a job working 8pm-8am alone on the top floor of a six-story tower spreading pesticides on seed corn (but without long, flowing locks) that convinced me to get a degree in economics.  The education in economics convinced me not to pursue a money-driven career.  Becoming the chief executive of a social service agency convinced me that commenting on blogs is my highest calling.</p>
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		<title>By: willybobo</title>
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		<dc:creator>willybobo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 03:50:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The biggest thing that Lane overlooks is that the security she&#039;s gained against the possibility of a life inside a cardboard box factory comes not from the fact that she got a degree, but that she got a degree from Brown.  If you go to an elite school, indeed the chances that you&#039;ll end up in a factory of any kind are effectively nil, unless that&#039;s what you choose.  

If you go to Brown, or Yale, or Chicago, or Stanford, indeed you&#039;re probably better off choosing to pursue a liberal arts degree, because  it often helps you speak more articulately and confidently in interviews for investment banking, hedge fund, and consulting jobs.  And you&#039;ll seem more interesting. 

If, though, you&#039;re not quite so lucky as to wind up at an elite school by which your very affiliation opens up doors to any kind of career you&#039;d like...if you instead are among the majority who has chosen to attend college at California State Hayward or Southwestern Illinois State or Estrella Mountain Community College, then acquiring skills that are of immediate utility to average employers in need of a mass of average employees is often the only  hope of avoiding the box factory.  Learning to close read Weber or argue against a phenomenological interpretation of a social norm is not, unfortunately,  typically as useful to the average corporation as knowing how to write Java code or to prepare a cash flow statement or to deploy a server side security key.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The biggest thing that Lane overlooks is that the security she&#8217;s gained against the possibility of a life inside a cardboard box factory comes not from the fact that she got a degree, but that she got a degree from Brown.  If you go to an elite school, indeed the chances that you&#8217;ll end up in a factory of any kind are effectively nil, unless that&#8217;s what you choose.  </p>
<p>If you go to Brown, or Yale, or Chicago, or Stanford, indeed you&#8217;re probably better off choosing to pursue a liberal arts degree, because  it often helps you speak more articulately and confidently in interviews for investment banking, hedge fund, and consulting jobs.  And you&#8217;ll seem more interesting. </p>
<p>If, though, you&#8217;re not quite so lucky as to wind up at an elite school by which your very affiliation opens up doors to any kind of career you&#8217;d like&#8230;if you instead are among the majority who has chosen to attend college at California State Hayward or Southwestern Illinois State or Estrella Mountain Community College, then acquiring skills that are of immediate utility to average employers in need of a mass of average employees is often the only  hope of avoiding the box factory.  Learning to close read Weber or argue against a phenomenological interpretation of a social norm is not, unfortunately,  typically as useful to the average corporation as knowing how to write Java code or to prepare a cash flow statement or to deploy a server side security key.</p>
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		<title>By: Late May Links: Stimulus and American Recovery and Relief Act (ARRA) Madness, Free Money Wannabes, Economic Recovery, Grants.gov and the Government Accountability Office (GAO), and More</title>
		<link>http://www.juliansanchez.com/2009/05/19/you-want-fries-with-that/comment-page-1/#comment-7685</link>
		<dc:creator>Late May Links: Stimulus and American Recovery and Relief Act (ARRA) Madness, Free Money Wannabes, Economic Recovery, Grants.gov and the Government Accountability Office (GAO), and More</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 23:32:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] On the value of a liberal arts education: The great value of a liberal arts education is that it prepares you to be relatively happy even if [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://www.juliansanchez.com/2009/05/19/you-want-fries-with-that/comment-page-1/#comment-7684</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 21:01:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Lawyers are the poorest profession&quot;?

Julian, did you want to do what you are doing or something related in college?  That&#039;s the biggest question for me.  If someone is completely aimless in college, I&#039;d advocate that they at least get a  degree or take classes that indicate they aren&#039;t scared of numbers.  That should help them in the battle for better cube jobs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Lawyers are the poorest profession&#8221;?</p>
<p>Julian, did you want to do what you are doing or something related in college?  That&#8217;s the biggest question for me.  If someone is completely aimless in college, I&#8217;d advocate that they at least get a  degree or take classes that indicate they aren&#8217;t scared of numbers.  That should help them in the battle for better cube jobs.</p>
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		<title>By: Bitter Guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bitter Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 19:37:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott-I&#039;m willing to bet you had a few things going for you-namely talent and luck.  You need both to get anywhere, and betting that they will be there is not the best move for most people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott-I&#8217;m willing to bet you had a few things going for you-namely talent and luck.  You need both to get anywhere, and betting that they will be there is not the best move for most people.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 19:08:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Bitter Guy

You wrote: &quot;Look, I love the life of the mind as much as anyone. But my advice to college kids is simple: think money and career. You can give yourself a liberal arts education with an investment of time, a library card, and some book money. While paying for a degree, go for what pays. Period.&quot;

I couldn&#039;t disagree more.  I double-majored in theatre and philosophy in college because I liked theatre and philosophy.  I was paying, so I went for what I enjoyed.

I know I needed to pay the bills after college, though, so I taught myself how to be a pretty damn good programmer (it&#039;s all out there on the internet; all you need is an investment of time, a computer and an internet connection) and was making six figures by the age of 23.

My life now consists of traveling around the world, writing and playing guitar on faraway beaches with pretty girlfriends and picking up an occasional freelance programming gig when I need some dough.  It&#039;s not bad.

My advice to you:  stop dispensing bad advice to college kids.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Bitter Guy</p>
<p>You wrote: &#8220;Look, I love the life of the mind as much as anyone. But my advice to college kids is simple: think money and career. You can give yourself a liberal arts education with an investment of time, a library card, and some book money. While paying for a degree, go for what pays. Period.&#8221;</p>
<p>I couldn&#8217;t disagree more.  I double-majored in theatre and philosophy in college because I liked theatre and philosophy.  I was paying, so I went for what I enjoyed.</p>
<p>I know I needed to pay the bills after college, though, so I taught myself how to be a pretty damn good programmer (it&#8217;s all out there on the internet; all you need is an investment of time, a computer and an internet connection) and was making six figures by the age of 23.</p>
<p>My life now consists of traveling around the world, writing and playing guitar on faraway beaches with pretty girlfriends and picking up an occasional freelance programming gig when I need some dough.  It&#8217;s not bad.</p>
<p>My advice to you:  stop dispensing bad advice to college kids.</p>
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