Comments on: “Islam Day”? http://www.juliansanchez.com/2009/05/07/islam-day/ Just another geek in the geek kingdom Thu, 09 Feb 2012 05:38:37 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2 By: iskender http://www.juliansanchez.com/2009/05/07/islam-day/comment-page-1/#comment-8354 iskender Mon, 13 Jul 2009 02:01:19 +0000 http://www.juliansanchez.com/?p=3167#comment-8354 www.islam-documents.org (which is the improvment of the other islam-documents.com, once based in Tunisia). There is thousands of texts (around 20 000) about the origins of islam, with a critical, humanist, and scientific view (and even ironical). It is now the bigger "sourcebook" on that subject, with often unpublished documents: Muhammad biographies (SIRA), the main books of traditions (HADITH) , muslim chronicles (TABARI...), companions biographies (TABAQAT), quranic verses, quranic commentaries (TAFSIR).7 A new version is now available, improved and corrected: around 3700 pages. We are working for a new version published every year. All is in french. so sorry. but you need to read it to understand muslim thinking and acts. http://www.islam-documents.org

(which is the improvment of the other islam-documents.com, once based in Tunisia).

There is thousands of texts (around 20 000) about the origins of islam, with a critical, humanist, and scientific view (and even ironical). It is now the bigger “sourcebook” on that subject, with often unpublished documents: Muhammad biographies (SIRA), the main books of traditions (HADITH) , muslim chronicles (TABARI…), companions biographies (TABAQAT), quranic verses, quranic commentaries (TAFSIR).7

A new version is now available, improved and corrected: around 3700 pages. We are working for a new version published every year.

All is in french. so sorry. but you need to read it to understand muslim thinking and acts.

]]> By: Julian Sanchez http://www.juliansanchez.com/2009/05/07/islam-day/comment-page-1/#comment-7560 Julian Sanchez Mon, 11 May 2009 03:21:27 +0000 http://www.juliansanchez.com/?p=3167#comment-7560 We do, in fact, have a Constitution Day -- September 17. We do, in fact, have a Constitution Day — September 17.

]]> By: bbtop http://www.juliansanchez.com/2009/05/07/islam-day/comment-page-1/#comment-7559 bbtop Sun, 10 May 2009 22:56:12 +0000 http://www.juliansanchez.com/?p=3167#comment-7559 How about we appreciate diversity until our national, spiritual, and gender identity is so confused and mushy we don't know what the $#%! is going on. How about we appreciate diversity until our national, spiritual, and gender identity is so confused and mushy we don’t know what the $#%! is going on.

]]> By: willibrord http://www.juliansanchez.com/2009/05/07/islam-day/comment-page-1/#comment-7540 willibrord Sat, 09 May 2009 04:09:09 +0000 http://www.juliansanchez.com/?p=3167#comment-7540 How about American appreciation day or Constitution appreciation day? How about American appreciation day or Constitution appreciation day?

]]> By: Patrick http://www.juliansanchez.com/2009/05/07/islam-day/comment-page-1/#comment-7538 Patrick Fri, 08 May 2009 19:29:28 +0000 http://www.juliansanchez.com/?p=3167#comment-7538 We need Jedi appreciation day. Then something with pastafarism. We need Jedi appreciation day. Then something with pastafarism.

]]> By: Julian Sanchez http://www.juliansanchez.com/2009/05/07/islam-day/comment-page-1/#comment-7536 Julian Sanchez Fri, 08 May 2009 17:24:41 +0000 http://www.juliansanchez.com/?p=3167#comment-7536 Lots of constitutional provisions exist to tell majorities who want their representatives to do something "tough luck." In the case of "collective speech," whatever reservations I might normally have about this are, frankly, even weaker than usual, since there's no reason that every citizen who endorses the particular message can't join the Islam Appreciation Society or any other civic association that wants to make this sort of pronouncement. True, this divorces one narrow form of collective expression from one particular kind of shared identity, which to my mind pressures people to conceive of themselves atomistically in roughly the same way that the existence of a smoothie shop pressures people to be teetotalers. (Or, less frivolously, to the same extent that Church/State separation generally pressures people to be atheists.) To be sure, governments make all sots of symbolic proclamations, and even folks who dislike the King don't get too riled up about National Elvis Day. But for better or worse, our system treats a preference for communion wafers differently than a preference for Nilla Wafers. There are plenty of good principled objections to raise against this differential treatment, but I think it works out pretty well as a rough rule for a pluralistic society. Lots of constitutional provisions exist to tell majorities who want their representatives to do something “tough luck.” In the case of “collective speech,” whatever reservations I might normally have about this are, frankly, even weaker than usual, since there’s no reason that every citizen who endorses the particular message can’t join the Islam Appreciation Society or any other civic association that wants to make this sort of pronouncement. True, this divorces one narrow form of collective expression from one particular kind of shared identity, which to my mind pressures people to conceive of themselves atomistically in roughly the same way that the existence of a smoothie shop pressures people to be teetotalers. (Or, less frivolously, to the same extent that Church/State separation generally pressures people to be atheists.)

To be sure, governments make all sots of symbolic proclamations, and even folks who dislike the King don’t get too riled up about National Elvis Day. But for better or worse, our system treats a preference for communion wafers differently than a preference for Nilla Wafers. There are plenty of good principled objections to raise against this differential treatment, but I think it works out pretty well as a rough rule for a pluralistic society.

]]> By: Richard http://www.juliansanchez.com/2009/05/07/islam-day/comment-page-1/#comment-7533 Richard Fri, 08 May 2009 07:05:19 +0000 http://www.juliansanchez.com/?p=3167#comment-7533 Julian - I'm sympathetic to your individualism, but just to play devil's advocate: what if most people <i>want</i> their representatives to (aspire to) express the "collective approval" of their "community"? Would you really want to <a href="http://www.philosophyetc.net/2008/03/free-collective-speech.html" rel="nofollow">ban collective speech</a>, and insist that people only have the right to speak for themselves (or those who have explicitly consented/agreed), thus effectively pressuring people to conceive of themselves atomistically (or at least lacking any <i>political</i> community) <i>whether they want to or not</i>? This strikes me as a trickier question than you seem to credit. (Even those who disagree with their representatives in this particular case might be happy overall to have representatives express sentiments on behalf of "the whole community", so long as they share the common sentiments in enough cases, and the warm fuzzies obtained in those cases outweigh the irritation felt in cases of disagreement. I imagine it is very rare for people to be displeased by "collective speech" <i>as such</i>. Most folks aren't such staunch individualists, after all!) Julian – I’m sympathetic to your individualism, but just to play devil’s advocate: what if most people want their representatives to (aspire to) express the “collective approval” of their “community”? Would you really want to ban collective speech, and insist that people only have the right to speak for themselves (or those who have explicitly consented/agreed), thus effectively pressuring people to conceive of themselves atomistically (or at least lacking any political community) whether they want to or not? This strikes me as a trickier question than you seem to credit.

(Even those who disagree with their representatives in this particular case might be happy overall to have representatives express sentiments on behalf of “the whole community”, so long as they share the common sentiments in enough cases, and the warm fuzzies obtained in those cases outweigh the irritation felt in cases of disagreement. I imagine it is very rare for people to be displeased by “collective speech” as such. Most folks aren’t such staunch individualists, after all!)

]]> By: DBB http://www.juliansanchez.com/2009/05/07/islam-day/comment-page-1/#comment-7531 DBB Thu, 07 May 2009 22:47:49 +0000 http://www.juliansanchez.com/?p=3167#comment-7531 Might as well cancel Christmas, using this logic. As an atheist, I wouldn't be all that opposed. Might as well cancel Christmas, using this logic. As an atheist, I wouldn’t be all that opposed.

]]> By: stevelaudig http://www.juliansanchez.com/2009/05/07/islam-day/comment-page-1/#comment-7530 stevelaudig Thu, 07 May 2009 22:06:58 +0000 http://www.juliansanchez.com/?p=3167#comment-7530 This is a profoundly stupid reason. The Hawaii Senate is a profoundly stupid place when in session. This is a profoundly stupid reason.

The Hawaii Senate is a profoundly stupid place when in session.

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