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		<title>By: The Hill&#8217;s Blog Briefing Room &#187; MORNING READ</title>
		<link>http://www.juliansanchez.com/2009/05/07/a-god-shaped-hole-shaped-hole/comment-page-1/#comment-8107</link>
		<dc:creator>The Hill&#8217;s Blog Briefing Room &#187; MORNING READ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 22:36:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Beat the Press Matlock!!! - Attaturk, firedoglake Stress test finale - Kevin Drum, Mother Jones A &#039;God-shaped hole&#039; shaped hole - Julian Sanchez Put children first - Moe Lane, RedState Hawaii passes &#039;Islam Day&#039; law - Michelle [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Beat the Press Matlock!!! &#8211; Attaturk, firedoglake Stress test finale &#8211; Kevin Drum, Mother Jones A &#8216;God-shaped hole&#8217; shaped hole &#8211; Julian Sanchez Put children first &#8211; Moe Lane, RedState Hawaii passes &#8216;Islam Day&#8217; law &#8211; Michelle [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
		<link>http://www.juliansanchez.com/2009/05/07/a-god-shaped-hole-shaped-hole/comment-page-1/#comment-7607</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 20:19:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Somewhat off topic, but count me as an atheist who&#039;s always thought that Wiccanism seems preferable to the vicar. Irritating New Age overtones aside, paganism seems a lot less morally problematic than monotheism. It also seems a hell of a lot more fun.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Somewhat off topic, but count me as an atheist who&#8217;s always thought that Wiccanism seems preferable to the vicar. Irritating New Age overtones aside, paganism seems a lot less morally problematic than monotheism. It also seems a hell of a lot more fun.</p>
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		<title>By: Paging Michael Stipe &#171; Around The Sphere</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paging Michael Stipe &#171; Around The Sphere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 00:04:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] #2: We got Julian Sanchez on the original Stuttaford [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 20:15:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The biggest difference that I&#039;ve noticed between atheists and theists tends to be on the relative importance they put on truth and peace of mind.   That&#039;s not to say that theists have no commitment to truth or atheists cannot find peace of mind, but when they argue that seems to be where they come from.  An atheist will talk about the lack of objective evidence for any meaningful theist belief.  A theist will counter with evidence of psychological benefit from said belief.

I guess what I&#039;m saying is that if filling &quot;god shaped holes&quot; becomes the most important motivating factor in an individual&#039;s life, he or she is likely to grasp onto some kind of religious belief regardless of their upbringing.  If another individual is more concerned with what is actually true, that will take precidence to a quick fix sort of peace of mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The biggest difference that I&#8217;ve noticed between atheists and theists tends to be on the relative importance they put on truth and peace of mind.   That&#8217;s not to say that theists have no commitment to truth or atheists cannot find peace of mind, but when they argue that seems to be where they come from.  An atheist will talk about the lack of objective evidence for any meaningful theist belief.  A theist will counter with evidence of psychological benefit from said belief.</p>
<p>I guess what I&#8217;m saying is that if filling &#8220;god shaped holes&#8221; becomes the most important motivating factor in an individual&#8217;s life, he or she is likely to grasp onto some kind of religious belief regardless of their upbringing.  If another individual is more concerned with what is actually true, that will take precidence to a quick fix sort of peace of mind.</p>
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		<title>By: Julian Sanchez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julian Sanchez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 03:29:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Freddie-
   It&#039;s true; you just can&#039;t take me anywhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Freddie-<br />
   It&#8217;s true; you just can&#8217;t take me anywhere.</p>
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		<title>By: Julian Sanchez</title>
		<link>http://www.juliansanchez.com/2009/05/07/a-god-shaped-hole-shaped-hole/comment-page-1/#comment-7561</link>
		<dc:creator>Julian Sanchez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 03:27:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>razib-
  I&#039;d thought I&#039;d included a link to the poll I&#039;d been looking at; it&#039;s there now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>razib-<br />
  I&#8217;d thought I&#8217;d included a link to the poll I&#8217;d been looking at; it&#8217;s there now.</p>
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		<title>By: pragmatic idealist</title>
		<link>http://www.juliansanchez.com/2009/05/07/a-god-shaped-hole-shaped-hole/comment-page-1/#comment-7558</link>
		<dc:creator>pragmatic idealist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 21:43:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I grew up in Reform Judaism, which is pretty close to UU. More importantly, I had a secure childhood. You&#039;ve summed up my point of view very well. This Iris DeMent song is more succinct:

Everybody&#039;s wonderin&#039; what and where they all came from.
Everybody&#039;s worryin&#039; &#039;bout where they&#039;re gonna go when the whole thing&#039;s done.
But no one knows for certain and so it&#039;s all the same to me.
I think I&#039;ll just let the mystery be.

Some say once you&#039;re gone you&#039;re gone forever, and some say you&#039;re gonna come back.
Some say you rest in the arms of the Saviour if in sinful ways you lack.
Some say that they&#039;re comin&#039; back in a garden, bunch of carrots and little sweet peas.
I think I&#039;ll just let the mystery be.

Everybody&#039;s wonderin&#039; what and where they all came from.
Everybody&#039;s worryin&#039; &#039;bout where they&#039;re gonna go when the whole thing&#039;s done.
But no one knows for certain and so it&#039;s all the same to me.
I think I&#039;ll just let the mystery be.

Some say they&#039;re goin&#039; to a place called Glory and I ain&#039;t saying it ain&#039;t a fact.
But I&#039;ve heard that I&#039;m on the road to purgatory and I don&#039;t like the sound of that.
Well, I believe in love and I live my life accordingly.
But I choose to let the mystery be.

Everybody&#039;s wonderin&#039; what and where they all came from.
Everybody&#039;s worryin&#039; &#039;bout where they&#039;re gonna go when the whole thing&#039;s done.
But no one knows for certain and so it&#039;s all the same to me.
I think I&#039;ll just let the mystery be.
I think I&#039;ll just let the mystery be</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I grew up in Reform Judaism, which is pretty close to UU. More importantly, I had a secure childhood. You&#8217;ve summed up my point of view very well. This Iris DeMent song is more succinct:</p>
<p>Everybody&#8217;s wonderin&#8217; what and where they all came from.<br />
Everybody&#8217;s worryin&#8217; &#8217;bout where they&#8217;re gonna go when the whole thing&#8217;s done.<br />
But no one knows for certain and so it&#8217;s all the same to me.<br />
I think I&#8217;ll just let the mystery be.</p>
<p>Some say once you&#8217;re gone you&#8217;re gone forever, and some say you&#8217;re gonna come back.<br />
Some say you rest in the arms of the Saviour if in sinful ways you lack.<br />
Some say that they&#8217;re comin&#8217; back in a garden, bunch of carrots and little sweet peas.<br />
I think I&#8217;ll just let the mystery be.</p>
<p>Everybody&#8217;s wonderin&#8217; what and where they all came from.<br />
Everybody&#8217;s worryin&#8217; &#8217;bout where they&#8217;re gonna go when the whole thing&#8217;s done.<br />
But no one knows for certain and so it&#8217;s all the same to me.<br />
I think I&#8217;ll just let the mystery be.</p>
<p>Some say they&#8217;re goin&#8217; to a place called Glory and I ain&#8217;t saying it ain&#8217;t a fact.<br />
But I&#8217;ve heard that I&#8217;m on the road to purgatory and I don&#8217;t like the sound of that.<br />
Well, I believe in love and I live my life accordingly.<br />
But I choose to let the mystery be.</p>
<p>Everybody&#8217;s wonderin&#8217; what and where they all came from.<br />
Everybody&#8217;s worryin&#8217; &#8217;bout where they&#8217;re gonna go when the whole thing&#8217;s done.<br />
But no one knows for certain and so it&#8217;s all the same to me.<br />
I think I&#8217;ll just let the mystery be.<br />
I think I&#8217;ll just let the mystery be</p>
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		<title>By: Freddie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Freddie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 14:38:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are not an atheist, of course, you are antitheist, and your inability to understand the difference is precisely what makes intellectual life for nonbelievers like myself such an exercise in guilt by association.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are not an atheist, of course, you are antitheist, and your inability to understand the difference is precisely what makes intellectual life for nonbelievers like myself such an exercise in guilt by association.</p>
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		<title>By: razib</title>
		<link>http://www.juliansanchez.com/2009/05/07/a-god-shaped-hole-shaped-hole/comment-page-1/#comment-7553</link>
		<dc:creator>razib</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 14:19:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ok, updated statistics:
http://www.gnxp.com/blog/2009/05/atheist-societies.php</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ok, updated statistics:<br />
<a href="http://www.gnxp.com/blog/2009/05/atheist-societies.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.gnxp.com/blog/2009/05/atheist-societies.php</a></p>
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		<title>By: DavidD</title>
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		<dc:creator>DavidD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 14:10:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is so much metaphor and vagueness here. You don&#039;t seem to understand why anyone might turn from atheism in reality, as I did in my thirties, except from being &quot;thoughtful and independent&quot; in addressing the problems of &quot;fatigue, illness, impotence, and depression&quot;.

Yes, prayer is like a knife, and different prayers are different knives, as are rituals, doctrines, institutions, congregations and leaders. Some of them are paper knives that aren&#039;t worth a damn, as I discovered when I tried to use them, but some of them are as underrated by atheists as evolution is underrated by Bible-believers.
 
I&#039;ve benefited from prayer for the last 20 years and from a personal companion named God. I&#039;ve received direction, strength, comfort, hope, and love this way that I can&#039;t find in me otherwise. It&#039;s not so simple as saying God runs everything, so no worries. I knew God didn&#039;t run everything when I was raised in science. I know that now, even though I was willing to consider that traditionalists are right when religion started paying off for me. They aren&#039;t right, for many reasons, but it&#039;s not so simple as saying it&#039;s just a grand illusion.
 
The term &quot;God-shaped void&quot; doesn&#039;t come up explicitly in the book Religion Explained by academic anthropologist and apparent atheist Pascal Boyer, but I found a new way to think of that idea from his book. There is a God-shaped void that evolution created in our brain through a number of needs, such as the desire for power, knowledge, love, and goodness, along with our neurophysiological bias toward hidden causes. Atheists say they can fill this void better than theists, or they would if this concept were universally believed, and that theists are really just delivering smoke and mirrors, not any real benefit. I&#039;m quite sure atheists are wrong on the latter point, from the benefits I&#039;ve received, despite the skepticism I learned in science and remain grateful for, and they&#039;ve yet to prove the first point. There is a lot of smoke and mirrors from everyone about this. That&#039;s human nature, theist or atheist, but that is never all reality is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is so much metaphor and vagueness here. You don&#8217;t seem to understand why anyone might turn from atheism in reality, as I did in my thirties, except from being &#8220;thoughtful and independent&#8221; in addressing the problems of &#8220;fatigue, illness, impotence, and depression&#8221;.</p>
<p>Yes, prayer is like a knife, and different prayers are different knives, as are rituals, doctrines, institutions, congregations and leaders. Some of them are paper knives that aren&#8217;t worth a damn, as I discovered when I tried to use them, but some of them are as underrated by atheists as evolution is underrated by Bible-believers.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve benefited from prayer for the last 20 years and from a personal companion named God. I&#8217;ve received direction, strength, comfort, hope, and love this way that I can&#8217;t find in me otherwise. It&#8217;s not so simple as saying God runs everything, so no worries. I knew God didn&#8217;t run everything when I was raised in science. I know that now, even though I was willing to consider that traditionalists are right when religion started paying off for me. They aren&#8217;t right, for many reasons, but it&#8217;s not so simple as saying it&#8217;s just a grand illusion.</p>
<p>The term &#8220;God-shaped void&#8221; doesn&#8217;t come up explicitly in the book Religion Explained by academic anthropologist and apparent atheist Pascal Boyer, but I found a new way to think of that idea from his book. There is a God-shaped void that evolution created in our brain through a number of needs, such as the desire for power, knowledge, love, and goodness, along with our neurophysiological bias toward hidden causes. Atheists say they can fill this void better than theists, or they would if this concept were universally believed, and that theists are really just delivering smoke and mirrors, not any real benefit. I&#8217;m quite sure atheists are wrong on the latter point, from the benefits I&#8217;ve received, despite the skepticism I learned in science and remain grateful for, and they&#8217;ve yet to prove the first point. There is a lot of smoke and mirrors from everyone about this. That&#8217;s human nature, theist or atheist, but that is never all reality is.</p>
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