Comments on: How Torture Helped the Allies in WWII http://www.juliansanchez.com/2009/05/05/how-torture-helped-the-allies-in-wwii/ Just another geek in the geek kingdom Thu, 09 Feb 2012 05:38:37 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2 By: Granger Stuwert http://www.juliansanchez.com/2009/05/05/how-torture-helped-the-allies-in-wwii/comment-page-2/#comment-14323 Granger Stuwert Tue, 22 Mar 2011 18:56:09 +0000 http://www.juliansanchez.com/?p=3154#comment-14323 how were people tortured in WWII?? how were people tortured in WWII??

]]> By: ali http://www.juliansanchez.com/2009/05/05/how-torture-helped-the-allies-in-wwii/comment-page-2/#comment-13432 ali Wed, 10 Nov 2010 16:08:43 +0000 http://www.juliansanchez.com/?p=3154#comment-13432 Dear Trinaglewhip, Those who win a war by ANY MEANS NECESSARY invariably lose it. Why? Because in every single national, tribal or racial group and any/every other type of group that you can name there are people who do not define themselves by their gender, skin colour or class (ie money) but rather by their principles. If their principles were amongst many other virtuous things, not ever ever engaging in torture, rape, and deliberate attacking of civilians, then when their so-called kith & kin/friends expose themselves for the heartless, merciless, ruthless scum that they are all bonds that previously held them together are broken, and very likely irrevocibly so. Thus love grows cold, and hate grows strong, and civil war then looms on the horizon. Those who love chastity can never love the perverted, nor the charitable the miserly, or the brave the coward, and so on. I hate people you as i am deeply opposed to torture, thus it is likely we will fight. When you die i wont care. Ultimately this war is about muslims and non-muslims, but as im sure you can see (myself being a good example) there are many people who increasely hate the new definition of American and British and are 'joining' the other side. No one can ever win if their people fight. Dear Trinaglewhip,
Those who win a war by ANY MEANS NECESSARY invariably lose it. Why? Because in every single national, tribal or racial group and any/every other type of group that you can name there are people who do not define themselves by their gender, skin colour or class (ie money) but rather by their principles. If their principles were amongst many other virtuous things, not ever ever engaging in torture, rape, and deliberate attacking of civilians, then when their so-called kith & kin/friends expose themselves for the heartless, merciless, ruthless scum that they are all bonds that previously held them together are broken, and very likely irrevocibly so. Thus love grows cold, and hate grows strong, and civil war then looms on the horizon. Those who love chastity can never love the perverted, nor the charitable the miserly, or the brave the coward, and so on. I hate people you as i am deeply opposed to torture, thus it is likely we will fight. When you die i wont care. Ultimately this war is about muslims and non-muslims, but as im sure you can see (myself being a good example) there are many people who increasely hate the new definition of American and British and are ‘joining’ the other side. No one can ever win if their people fight.

]]> By: ali http://www.juliansanchez.com/2009/05/05/how-torture-helped-the-allies-in-wwii/comment-page-2/#comment-13431 ali Wed, 10 Nov 2010 15:51:31 +0000 http://www.juliansanchez.com/?p=3154#comment-13431 And on the authority of Wabisa bin Mabad, may Allah be pleased with him, who said: I came to the messenger of Allah and he said: "You have come to ask about righteousness ?" . I said:" Yes." He said: "Consult your heart. Righteousness is that about which the soul feels tranquil and the heart feels tranquil, and wrongdoing is that which wavers in the soul and moves to and from in the breast even though people again and again have given you their legal opinion [in its favor]." Im an english muslim. I reject the increasing evil understanding version of 'englishness' as torture when i grew up and throughout my teens and most of my 20s was something scum like the SS, Gestapo and KGB involved themselves in. Now i find though very same types of people equating this type of behaviour with englishness. If this is the new englishness then you can keep it. Ill stay true to the previous version and i therefore have zero intention of 'intergrating' with such a morally- ruined degenerate nation. The 7/7 bombs were insides jobs, as was 911, the bali bomb (i havent yet looked into the bombs in madrid and india). Also there were the bombs that blew up russia. All done by the security forces entrusted by their people to give themselves sweeping powers and start illegal wars and steal what they couldnt afford. Lord Goldsmith found a justification, and it seems that some people are very very busy giving their legal opinion in favour of something digusting. Not matter how many times you say it, it will remain that whoever falls into this type of behaviour is a disgrace. Incidently, it turned up in a recent study that if you do good and are kind you have a good sense of yourself and are thus calm and happy. If you are a total ***** like Bush, Blair, Putin, Sakozy and many many others living in the US, Europe and the World in general who enjoy the idea of torture and like to justify it, i would have thought the opposite is true. And on the authority of Wabisa bin Mabad, may Allah be pleased with him, who said: I came to the messenger of Allah and he said: “You have come to ask about righteousness ?” . I said:” Yes.” He said: “Consult your heart. Righteousness is that about which the soul feels tranquil and the heart feels tranquil, and wrongdoing is that which wavers in the soul and moves to and from in the breast even though people again and again have given you their legal opinion [in its favor].”
Im an english muslim. I reject the increasing evil understanding version of ‘englishness’ as torture when i grew up and throughout my teens and most of my 20s was something scum like the SS, Gestapo and KGB involved themselves in. Now i find though very same types of people equating this type of behaviour with englishness. If this is the new englishness then you can keep it. Ill stay true to the previous version and i therefore have zero intention of ‘intergrating’ with such a morally- ruined degenerate nation. The 7/7 bombs were insides jobs, as was 911, the bali bomb (i havent yet looked into the bombs in madrid and india). Also there were the bombs that blew up russia. All done by the security forces entrusted by their people to give themselves sweeping powers and start illegal wars and steal what they couldnt afford. Lord Goldsmith found a justification, and it seems that some people are very very busy giving their legal opinion in favour of something digusting. Not matter how many times you say it, it will remain that whoever falls into this type of behaviour is a disgrace.
Incidently, it turned up in a recent study that if you do good and are kind you have a good sense of yourself and are thus calm and happy. If you are a total ***** like Bush, Blair, Putin, Sakozy and many many others living in the US, Europe and the World in general who enjoy the idea of torture and like to justify it, i would have thought the opposite is true.

]]> By: trianglewhip http://www.juliansanchez.com/2009/05/05/how-torture-helped-the-allies-in-wwii/comment-page-2/#comment-8109 trianglewhip Sat, 20 Jun 2009 04:31:31 +0000 http://www.juliansanchez.com/?p=3154#comment-8109 Civilian airstrikes do more damage to our moral standing, than any torture we committed. Franklin Roosevelt made a strong point on it prior to ww2 see http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:Ba9_Cs5VmlcJ:randazza.wordpress.com/2009/06/11/hes-got-a-point/+geneva+convention+air+strikes+civilian+roosevelt&cd=7&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us Scroll down to the bottom.. I believe that ww2 might of be shortened if we didn't did all that carpet bombing on German civilians. Because the last days were the most vicious fight of the whole war it's self. The people were living in ruins, and the only thing you have left is anger and violence.. Ask Isreal about their airstrikes. And see how things are doing with them.. Civilian airstrikes do more damage to our moral standing, than any torture we committed. Franklin Roosevelt made a strong point on it prior to ww2
see http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:Ba9_Cs5VmlcJ:randazza.wordpress.com/2009/06/11/hes-got-a-point/+geneva+convention+air+strikes+civilian+roosevelt&cd=7&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
Scroll down to the bottom..
I believe that ww2 might of be shortened if we didn’t did all that carpet bombing on German civilians. Because the last days were the most vicious fight of the whole war it’s self. The people were living in ruins, and the only thing you have left is anger and violence..
Ask Isreal about their airstrikes. And see how things are doing with them..

]]> By: trianglewhip http://www.juliansanchez.com/2009/05/05/how-torture-helped-the-allies-in-wwii/comment-page-2/#comment-8108 trianglewhip Sat, 20 Jun 2009 03:53:33 +0000 http://www.juliansanchez.com/?p=3154#comment-8108 I totaly agree, about the Japenes atrocities. And if you justify that no matter what the enemy has done, then you should justify torture as well for the same reasons.. The atom bomb was murder torture and mutilation in 1 package.. So we left the rape part, until we set foot... Politions been making a big deal on our atrocities we did like Abu Gharaid and Gitmo. But see what our so called "victims " are doing ever since.. http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2007/0524072torture12.html. If we are wiling to lay unmaned landmines, and bomb civilian targets, that totaly endangers children, then I see torture NO more as evil, if not less.... I totaly agree, about the Japenes atrocities. And if you justify that no matter what the enemy has done, then you should justify torture as well for the same reasons.. The atom bomb was murder torture and mutilation in 1 package.. So we left the rape part, until we set foot…
Politions been making a big deal on our atrocities we did like Abu Gharaid and Gitmo. But see what our so called “victims ” are doing ever since..
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2007/0524072torture12.html.
If we are wiling to lay unmaned landmines, and bomb civilian targets, that totaly endangers children, then I see torture NO more as evil, if not less….

]]> By: Sam http://www.juliansanchez.com/2009/05/05/how-torture-helped-the-allies-in-wwii/comment-page-2/#comment-8055 Sam Wed, 17 Jun 2009 16:46:54 +0000 http://www.juliansanchez.com/?p=3154#comment-8055 The atomic bombings were horrific, and yes, many civilians died. This will always be a terrible fact. But how many civilans were tortured, mutilated, raped and killed all across Asia when the Japanese invaded? The thousands of civilians in Nanking, China who were killed in despicable ways by the Japanese were not the only ones. In every country and island that they invaded, they submitted the inhabitants to horrible methods of humiliation, torture, and death. It is a shame that so many Japanese civilians had to die in the atomic bombings. But when your nation has been doing worse to the civilians of every neighboring country for the duration of the war, it's difficult to feel any sympathy. The atomic bombings were horrific, and yes, many civilians died. This will always be a terrible fact. But how many civilans were tortured, mutilated, raped and killed all across Asia when the Japanese invaded? The thousands of civilians in Nanking, China who were killed in despicable ways by the Japanese were not the only ones. In every country and island that they invaded, they submitted the inhabitants to horrible methods of humiliation, torture, and death.

It is a shame that so many Japanese civilians had to die in the atomic bombings. But when your nation has been doing worse to the civilians of every neighboring country for the duration of the war, it’s difficult to feel any sympathy.

]]> By: trianglewhip http://www.juliansanchez.com/2009/05/05/how-torture-helped-the-allies-in-wwii/comment-page-2/#comment-8039 trianglewhip Tue, 16 Jun 2009 19:51:20 +0000 http://www.juliansanchez.com/?p=3154#comment-8039 I never had bullies twisted my arm for anything. But I had bullies slam me to the ground and bashed the crap out of me, for many reasons. Kinda reminds me of dropping bombs on civilians.. I know torture works allot too. Watch the UFC... Too bad most of our politions never got into fights.... I never had bullies twisted my arm for anything. But I had bullies slam me to the ground and bashed the crap out of me, for many reasons. Kinda reminds me of dropping bombs on civilians.. I know torture works allot too. Watch the UFC… Too bad most of our politions never got into fights….

]]> By: Dennis D http://www.juliansanchez.com/2009/05/05/how-torture-helped-the-allies-in-wwii/comment-page-2/#comment-8030 Dennis D Mon, 15 Jun 2009 18:22:54 +0000 http://www.juliansanchez.com/?p=3154#comment-8030 Without debating the morality of torture , claiming it doesn't work is ignorance produced by blind ideology. Yes torture works. We learn this from childhood. Ever have a bully twist your arm for lunch money? How fast do you offer up your money? Do you lie to the bully and tell him you don't have any? Without debating the morality of torture , claiming it doesn’t work is ignorance produced by blind ideology. Yes torture works. We learn this from childhood. Ever have a bully twist your arm for lunch money? How fast do you offer up your money? Do you lie to the bully and tell him you don’t have any?

]]> By: Liz http://www.juliansanchez.com/2009/05/05/how-torture-helped-the-allies-in-wwii/comment-page-2/#comment-7937 Liz Sun, 07 Jun 2009 09:28:13 +0000 http://www.juliansanchez.com/?p=3154#comment-7937 emoticons r cool... unlike torture!!! :) :( emoticons r cool… unlike torture!!! :) :(

]]> By: Liz http://www.juliansanchez.com/2009/05/05/how-torture-helped-the-allies-in-wwii/comment-page-2/#comment-7936 Liz Sun, 07 Jun 2009 09:27:29 +0000 http://www.juliansanchez.com/?p=3154#comment-7936 ... :( … :(

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