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		<title>By: kookimebux</title>
		<link>http://www.juliansanchez.com/2008/11/02/types-of-redistribution/comment-page-1/#comment-6877</link>
		<dc:creator>kookimebux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 18:09:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello. And Bye. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello. And Bye. <img src='http://www.juliansanchez.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: LafAccowssoussy</title>
		<link>http://www.juliansanchez.com/2008/11/02/types-of-redistribution/comment-page-1/#comment-6713</link>
		<dc:creator>LafAccowssoussy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 02:52:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Roldadoff</title>
		<link>http://www.juliansanchez.com/2008/11/02/types-of-redistribution/comment-page-1/#comment-6678</link>
		<dc:creator>Roldadoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2008 22:42:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>predication  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.blogigo.de/unvergesslichenacht&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;viagra&lt;/a&gt;  coalescence</description>
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		<title>By: Julian Sanchez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julian Sanchez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 17:42:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, sorry Jeremy, good to hear from both of you.  I don&#039;t think we disagree; I didn&#039;t mean this as an exhaustive taxonomy. But I&#039;m also (surprise surprise) pretty swamped right now; I&#039;ll have a longer reply when I have time to devote some proper thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, sorry Jeremy, good to hear from both of you.  I don&#8217;t think we disagree; I didn&#8217;t mean this as an exhaustive taxonomy. But I&#8217;m also (surprise surprise) pretty swamped right now; I&#8217;ll have a longer reply when I have time to devote some proper thought.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Pober</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy Pober</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 17:21:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve--good to hear from you (on Julian&#039;s blog of all places!) and thanks for the Rawlsian textual support--I was pretty sure he said something like that but am not nearly as familiar with his work as I ought to be.

Thoughts, Julian?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve&#8211;good to hear from you (on Julian&#8217;s blog of all places!) and thanks for the Rawlsian textual support&#8211;I was pretty sure he said something like that but am not nearly as familiar with his work as I ought to be.</p>
<p>Thoughts, Julian?</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Maloney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven Maloney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 01:13:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First of all, Jeremy, hi, how&#039;s it going?  

Second, I&#039;d like to echo Jeremy&#039;s point that there&#039;s unlikely to be any crippling difference between maximin and libertarian views when it comes to social output.  Rawls has a nifty chart on this, both in &quot;A Theory of Justice&quot; and in &quot;Justice as Fairness: A Restatement.&quot;  The latter one being slightly more interesting because if you put distributive justice in the context of political liberalism, I&#039;m not sure that the Rawlsian can call the difference between Julian Sanchez and John Rawls anything but a political difference in which distribution and social output are only very slightly modified over time.    Something tempered even more by the fact that a society of free and equal persons will select choices that alternate between the two positions and find homes in between them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all, Jeremy, hi, how&#8217;s it going?  </p>
<p>Second, I&#8217;d like to echo Jeremy&#8217;s point that there&#8217;s unlikely to be any crippling difference between maximin and libertarian views when it comes to social output.  Rawls has a nifty chart on this, both in &#8220;A Theory of Justice&#8221; and in &#8220;Justice as Fairness: A Restatement.&#8221;  The latter one being slightly more interesting because if you put distributive justice in the context of political liberalism, I&#8217;m not sure that the Rawlsian can call the difference between Julian Sanchez and John Rawls anything but a political difference in which distribution and social output are only very slightly modified over time.    Something tempered even more by the fact that a society of free and equal persons will select choices that alternate between the two positions and find homes in between them.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Pober</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy Pober</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 20:34:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Julian,
     I think your analysis is a good start but I also think it&#039;s missing a few distinctions.

First, I don&#039;t think 1-2-3 line up on one dimension. The difference between incidental and altruistic wealth seems to be a difference of results, whereas the difference between 3 and 1/2 is a difference in motivations or intentions behind the redistribution. It&#039;s on this second dimension that I take the meat of the debate to be located.

Secondly, I think the point you add about Rawlsianism at the end is good, but I don&#039;t think Rawls and Nozickians such as yourself differ in kind so much as in degree on the amount of redistribution. You&#039;re both looking for the economy to benefit from redistribution, the question becomes how much redistribution will benefit the economy, and this question seems to me empirical in nature.

Finally, I don&#039;t think the distinction between intrinsic and instrumental theories of redistribution is complete since the only instrumental theory you put on the table is an economic instrumentalist theory, i.e. a theory that states redistribution is good insofar as it helps the economy.

I espouse (and I take many progressives to agree) a more Sen-like instrumental theory of redistribution (and economics in general) wherein economic policy is set for the maximization of what Sen calls substantive freedoms.

Overall though, I&#039;m incredibly glad you started a discussion involving serious analysis of this effusive concept of redistribution, and I really only aim to add to your framework.

I try to explain the GOP&#039;s message and where it is inaccurate along the lines you discuss &lt;a href=&quot;http://toojb.com/the-philosophy-of-redistribution/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Julian,<br />
     I think your analysis is a good start but I also think it&#8217;s missing a few distinctions.</p>
<p>First, I don&#8217;t think 1-2-3 line up on one dimension. The difference between incidental and altruistic wealth seems to be a difference of results, whereas the difference between 3 and 1/2 is a difference in motivations or intentions behind the redistribution. It&#8217;s on this second dimension that I take the meat of the debate to be located.</p>
<p>Secondly, I think the point you add about Rawlsianism at the end is good, but I don&#8217;t think Rawls and Nozickians such as yourself differ in kind so much as in degree on the amount of redistribution. You&#8217;re both looking for the economy to benefit from redistribution, the question becomes how much redistribution will benefit the economy, and this question seems to me empirical in nature.</p>
<p>Finally, I don&#8217;t think the distinction between intrinsic and instrumental theories of redistribution is complete since the only instrumental theory you put on the table is an economic instrumentalist theory, i.e. a theory that states redistribution is good insofar as it helps the economy.</p>
<p>I espouse (and I take many progressives to agree) a more Sen-like instrumental theory of redistribution (and economics in general) wherein economic policy is set for the maximization of what Sen calls substantive freedoms.</p>
<p>Overall though, I&#8217;m incredibly glad you started a discussion involving serious analysis of this effusive concept of redistribution, and I really only aim to add to your framework.</p>
<p>I try to explain the GOP&#8217;s message and where it is inaccurate along the lines you discuss <a href="http://toojb.com/the-philosophy-of-redistribution/" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Z. M. Davis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Z. M. Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 19:18:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;Hardcore libertarians will probably disagree, but a similar case can be made for public subsidy of general education in a democracy.&quot;&lt;/I&gt;

You don&#039;t have to be a hardcore libertarian to protest that &lt;I&gt;education&lt;/I&gt; and &lt;i&gt;schooling&lt;/i&gt; are &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unschooling&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;distinct concepts&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;Hardcore libertarians will probably disagree, but a similar case can be made for public subsidy of general education in a democracy.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>You don&#8217;t have to be a hardcore libertarian to protest that <i>education</i> and <i>schooling</i> are <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unschooling" rel="nofollow">distinct concepts</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin B. O'Reilly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin B. O'Reilly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 18:22:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think what has made the McCain&#039;s &quot;redistributionist&quot; attack pretty laughable is that both candidates are very close gradient-wise along the redistribution spectrum. It would be akin to Obama attacking McCain as a &quot;social Darwinist&quot; because he wanted to renew the Bush tax cuts. Not very credible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think what has made the McCain&#8217;s &#8220;redistributionist&#8221; attack pretty laughable is that both candidates are very close gradient-wise along the redistribution spectrum. It would be akin to Obama attacking McCain as a &#8220;social Darwinist&#8221; because he wanted to renew the Bush tax cuts. Not very credible.</p>
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		<title>By: Julian Sanchez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julian Sanchez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 16:24:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom-
   Yeah, I think you, like a lot of progressives, are in that odd hybrid category where you&#039;re in favor of transfers that directly aim at achieving an egalitarian distribution, which looks like the third sort of justification, but upon closer scrutiny the rationale actually turns out to be, weirdly enough, of the &quot;incidental&quot; sort.  And I found the post and updated above...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom-<br />
   Yeah, I think you, like a lot of progressives, are in that odd hybrid category where you&#8217;re in favor of transfers that directly aim at achieving an egalitarian distribution, which looks like the third sort of justification, but upon closer scrutiny the rationale actually turns out to be, weirdly enough, of the &#8220;incidental&#8221; sort.  And I found the post and updated above&#8230;</p>
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