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	<description>Just another geek in the geek kingdom</description>
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		<title>By: Running On Thin, Cracking Ice (or, another self-indulgent whine) &#171; The musings of an Australian classical liberal in Washington DC</title>
		<link>http://www.juliansanchez.com/2008/10/02/good-enough-to-suck-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-9665</link>
		<dc:creator>Running On Thin, Cracking Ice (or, another self-indulgent whine) &#171; The musings of an Australian classical liberal in Washington DC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 06:55:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] know such people, I obviously still feel ‘outside’ their circles.  I quite liked the line Julian Sanchez once wrote “It’s a pretty good rule of thumb that if you think you’re the smartest person you know (and [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] know such people, I obviously still feel ‘outside’ their circles.  I quite liked the line Julian Sanchez once wrote “It’s a pretty good rule of thumb that if you think you’re the smartest person you know (and [...]</p>
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		<title>By: dave.s.</title>
		<link>http://www.juliansanchez.com/2008/10/02/good-enough-to-suck-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-5910</link>
		<dc:creator>dave.s.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 10:37:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My dad came out of a little town in Minnesota where he had been the hottest thing to hit the high school in YEARS, then went on to a second-tier college.  He never shook the idea that he was the smartest guy in the room.  Then he raised me in Berkeley, and I never got that idea because it was refuted in every room I entered.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My dad came out of a little town in Minnesota where he had been the hottest thing to hit the high school in YEARS, then went on to a second-tier college.  He never shook the idea that he was the smartest guy in the room.  Then he raised me in Berkeley, and I never got that idea because it was refuted in every room I entered.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://www.juliansanchez.com/2008/10/02/good-enough-to-suck-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-5899</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 21:31:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Consider, for example, the consumer of music or movies who’s forever harping on how the majority of (top-40 radio hits) / (major studio blockbusters) are garbage. This is not wrong, certainly, but to obsess over it is to declare that your taste is not quite good enough for you to have long ago stopped noticing either category.&quot;

I think there&#039;s a better explanation here: it&#039;s not that said consumer&#039;s taste is not objectively good enough yet, it&#039;s that for some people, getting to shit all over everyone else&#039;s taste is *the whole point* (or at least, a substantial perk) of having good taste to begin with. If I could indulge in a little armchair psychology here, I&#039;d be willing to bet that most music nerds and film buffs were not exactly quarterbacking their football teams back in high school, and it&#039;s not unusual for people who come up short when judged by the standards of their peers to seek out alternative criteria by which they come out on top. Most of us hipster wanker types grow out of this eventually, but I think if we&#039;re honest with ourselves we&#039;ll admit that attitude was not exactly foreign to our way of thinking when we were younger. This is also why the &quot;top-40 sucks!&quot; guy tends to be on the young side, in my experience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Consider, for example, the consumer of music or movies who’s forever harping on how the majority of (top-40 radio hits) / (major studio blockbusters) are garbage. This is not wrong, certainly, but to obsess over it is to declare that your taste is not quite good enough for you to have long ago stopped noticing either category.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think there&#8217;s a better explanation here: it&#8217;s not that said consumer&#8217;s taste is not objectively good enough yet, it&#8217;s that for some people, getting to shit all over everyone else&#8217;s taste is *the whole point* (or at least, a substantial perk) of having good taste to begin with. If I could indulge in a little armchair psychology here, I&#8217;d be willing to bet that most music nerds and film buffs were not exactly quarterbacking their football teams back in high school, and it&#8217;s not unusual for people who come up short when judged by the standards of their peers to seek out alternative criteria by which they come out on top. Most of us hipster wanker types grow out of this eventually, but I think if we&#8217;re honest with ourselves we&#8217;ll admit that attitude was not exactly foreign to our way of thinking when we were younger. This is also why the &#8220;top-40 sucks!&#8221; guy tends to be on the young side, in my experience.</p>
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		<title>By: Jesse</title>
		<link>http://www.juliansanchez.com/2008/10/02/good-enough-to-suck-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-5889</link>
		<dc:creator>Jesse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 19:50:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Among my discourse community, this is known as &quot;wearing the juice,&quot; after the opening anecdote of the Kruger-Dunning paper, which can be found through the wiki page and is well worth reading.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Among my discourse community, this is known as &#8220;wearing the juice,&#8221; after the opening anecdote of the Kruger-Dunning paper, which can be found through the wiki page and is well worth reading.</p>
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		<title>By: LP</title>
		<link>http://www.juliansanchez.com/2008/10/02/good-enough-to-suck-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-5883</link>
		<dc:creator>LP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 17:20:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure I&#039;ve ever understand your fascination with hierarchicalizing both artistic talent and artistic taste -- in those spheres, I&#039;m pretty sure there&#039;s an awful lot of subjective preference out there masquerading as objective criticism. Also, do you ever worry that such harsh criticism of anyone who begins to transcend the &#039;amateur&#039; label might tend to discourage many amateurs from making any effort to improve themselves? Part I of this post, about all the &#039;just-good-enough-to-suck&#039; writing editors have to look at, certainly had that effect on me temporarily.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure I&#8217;ve ever understand your fascination with hierarchicalizing both artistic talent and artistic taste &#8212; in those spheres, I&#8217;m pretty sure there&#8217;s an awful lot of subjective preference out there masquerading as objective criticism. Also, do you ever worry that such harsh criticism of anyone who begins to transcend the &#8216;amateur&#8217; label might tend to discourage many amateurs from making any effort to improve themselves? Part I of this post, about all the &#8216;just-good-enough-to-suck&#8217; writing editors have to look at, certainly had that effect on me temporarily.</p>
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		<title>By: Milena Thomas</title>
		<link>http://www.juliansanchez.com/2008/10/02/good-enough-to-suck-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-5876</link>
		<dc:creator>Milena Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 06:20:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I loved this post.  I think I suck, and I can be proud of it now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I loved this post.  I think I suck, and I can be proud of it now.</p>
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		<title>By: Julian Sanchez</title>
		<link>http://www.juliansanchez.com/2008/10/02/good-enough-to-suck-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-5875</link>
		<dc:creator>Julian Sanchez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 05:32:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>:p</description>
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		<title>By: Laure</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laure</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 03:36:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m glad you had no pretensions about your film knowledge; your disconcertion might be out of hand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad you had no pretensions about your film knowledge; your disconcertion might be out of hand.</p>
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		<title>By: Xanthippas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Xanthippas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 21:12:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Of course, as you round that corner, you’re hit with the uncomfortable realization that, in fact, you don’t know all that much about really good art/music/movies/whatever after all.&lt;/i&gt;

Well, I&#039;m not so low on the scale of taste that I fail to recognize it in others, but I&#039;m definitely in the category above. I&#039;ve spent most of my life not listening to really good rock and pop music* (instead accepting whatever was plopped before me via radio) and as I&#039;ve discovered more and more good music these last few years, I&#039;ve only lifted myself to the rung on the ladder that permits me to be aware of the fact that 95% of the people who are into really good music know about way much more music and have infinitely more subtle taste than I. Frankly, it&#039;s depressing, but the only alternative is to listen to crap again. Art and movies? I don&#039;t even bother. 

*P.S. No, I don&#039;t just mean &#039;indie&#039; music either. I just mean good music, of whatever taste.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Of course, as you round that corner, you’re hit with the uncomfortable realization that, in fact, you don’t know all that much about really good art/music/movies/whatever after all.</i></p>
<p>Well, I&#8217;m not so low on the scale of taste that I fail to recognize it in others, but I&#8217;m definitely in the category above. I&#8217;ve spent most of my life not listening to really good rock and pop music* (instead accepting whatever was plopped before me via radio) and as I&#8217;ve discovered more and more good music these last few years, I&#8217;ve only lifted myself to the rung on the ladder that permits me to be aware of the fact that 95% of the people who are into really good music know about way much more music and have infinitely more subtle taste than I. Frankly, it&#8217;s depressing, but the only alternative is to listen to crap again. Art and movies? I don&#8217;t even bother. </p>
<p>*P.S. No, I don&#8217;t just mean &#8216;indie&#8217; music either. I just mean good music, of whatever taste.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 17:39:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now you just made me feel bad about myself. Hope you&#039;re happy.</description>
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