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		<title>By: Micha Ghertner</title>
		<link>http://www.juliansanchez.com/2008/08/21/institutionalizing-friedman/comment-page-1/#comment-5658</link>
		<dc:creator>Micha Ghertner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 05:09:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Milton Friedman has never won a Nobel Prize in Economics.&lt;/i&gt;

If there was an award for whiny nitpicking, the heterodox &quot;post-autistic&quot; economics movement would win every year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Milton Friedman has never won a Nobel Prize in Economics.</i></p>
<p>If there was an award for whiny nitpicking, the heterodox &#8220;post-autistic&#8221; economics movement would win every year.</p>
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		<title>By: Micha Ghertner</title>
		<link>http://www.juliansanchez.com/2008/08/21/institutionalizing-friedman/comment-page-1/#comment-5657</link>
		<dc:creator>Micha Ghertner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 05:06:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;the Friedman Institute at large would plausibly remain mystified by Mr. Frank’s continued employment, since they are likely to be blind to the concept of market failure. Remember “better an unregulated monopoly than a regulated monopoly”?&lt;/i&gt;

Huh? I don&#039;t get this. One can consistently believe that it is better for certain firms to be unregulated monopolies than regulated monopolies and still believe in the concept of market failure too. To do so, one need only judge the likelihood and outcome of government failure (i.e. regulatory capture) as worse than the disease it was meant to be curing.

Tyler Cowen recently wrote a NYTimes magazine piece arguing in favor of deregulating water companies in developing countries on the grounds than an unregulated monopoly would be less bad than what they currently have. Cowen is certainly not blind to the concept of market failure in this instance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>the Friedman Institute at large would plausibly remain mystified by Mr. Frank’s continued employment, since they are likely to be blind to the concept of market failure. Remember “better an unregulated monopoly than a regulated monopoly”?</i></p>
<p>Huh? I don&#8217;t get this. One can consistently believe that it is better for certain firms to be unregulated monopolies than regulated monopolies and still believe in the concept of market failure too. To do so, one need only judge the likelihood and outcome of government failure (i.e. regulatory capture) as worse than the disease it was meant to be curing.</p>
<p>Tyler Cowen recently wrote a NYTimes magazine piece arguing in favor of deregulating water companies in developing countries on the grounds than an unregulated monopoly would be less bad than what they currently have. Cowen is certainly not blind to the concept of market failure in this instance.</p>
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		<title>By: Phoenician in a time of Romans</title>
		<link>http://www.juliansanchez.com/2008/08/21/institutionalizing-friedman/comment-page-1/#comment-5656</link>
		<dc:creator>Phoenician in a time of Romans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 22:05:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Milton Friedman has never won a Nobel Prize in Economics.  There is no Nobel Prize in Economics. 

The prize you are talking about, The Sveriges Riksbank Prize in Economic Sciences in Memory of Alfred Nobel, was instituted by the Swedish Central Bank and deliberately conflated with the Nobel Prizes to make economics look like a science rather than a combination of science and ideology.  The bias in awarding these prizes has been noted (which is great, if you&#039;re a Chicago School economist).

I&#039;ve often considered whether George Soros might consider funding the George Soros Prize in Selfserving Bullshit in Memory of Alfred Nobel to get the point across.  A Nobel Prize in Bullshit would come in very handy (for example, back in 2003, it would be a tossup between George Bush and Comical Ali).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Milton Friedman has never won a Nobel Prize in Economics.  There is no Nobel Prize in Economics. </p>
<p>The prize you are talking about, The Sveriges Riksbank Prize in Economic Sciences in Memory of Alfred Nobel, was instituted by the Swedish Central Bank and deliberately conflated with the Nobel Prizes to make economics look like a science rather than a combination of science and ideology.  The bias in awarding these prizes has been noted (which is great, if you&#8217;re a Chicago School economist).</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve often considered whether George Soros might consider funding the George Soros Prize in Selfserving Bullshit in Memory of Alfred Nobel to get the point across.  A Nobel Prize in Bullshit would come in very handy (for example, back in 2003, it would be a tossup between George Bush and Comical Ali).</p>
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		<title>By: mds</title>
		<link>http://www.juliansanchez.com/2008/08/21/institutionalizing-friedman/comment-page-1/#comment-5654</link>
		<dc:creator>mds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 04:21:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess I remain skeptical that it will avoid becoming another &quot;welfare for conservatives&quot; hothouse institution, since there&#039;s already a rather &quot;Friedmanian&quot; institution at the U of C that nonetheless allows give-and-take with intellectual opponents: the Economics Department.  Last I checked, regular U of C faculty weren&#039;t barred from researching this sort of thing already.   I&#039;d actually disapprove of the other institutes listed, whether Frank does or not, since I&#039;m not comfortable with university institutes whose policy conclusions are almost certainly predetermined by their founding premises.  For instance, unlike Mr. Sanchez, the Friedman Institute at large would plausibly remain mystified by Mr. Frank&#039;s continued employment, since they &lt;em&gt;are&lt;/em&gt; likely to be blind to the concept of market failure.  Remember &quot;better an unregulated monopoly than a regulated monopoly&quot;?

Also, please note that &quot;market alternatives to ill conceived policy initiatives&quot; is not the same thing as &quot;market solutions to social problems.&quot;  Friedman was no Hayek, after all.  Consider that the &quot;unethical&quot; nature of  Social Security  makes it ill-conceived regardless of whether it&#039;s a working solution to a social problem or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess I remain skeptical that it will avoid becoming another &#8220;welfare for conservatives&#8221; hothouse institution, since there&#8217;s already a rather &#8220;Friedmanian&#8221; institution at the U of C that nonetheless allows give-and-take with intellectual opponents: the Economics Department.  Last I checked, regular U of C faculty weren&#8217;t barred from researching this sort of thing already.   I&#8217;d actually disapprove of the other institutes listed, whether Frank does or not, since I&#8217;m not comfortable with university institutes whose policy conclusions are almost certainly predetermined by their founding premises.  For instance, unlike Mr. Sanchez, the Friedman Institute at large would plausibly remain mystified by Mr. Frank&#8217;s continued employment, since they <em>are</em> likely to be blind to the concept of market failure.  Remember &#8220;better an unregulated monopoly than a regulated monopoly&#8221;?</p>
<p>Also, please note that &#8220;market alternatives to ill conceived policy initiatives&#8221; is not the same thing as &#8220;market solutions to social problems.&#8221;  Friedman was no Hayek, after all.  Consider that the &#8220;unethical&#8221; nature of  Social Security  makes it ill-conceived regardless of whether it&#8217;s a working solution to a social problem or not.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg N.</title>
		<link>http://www.juliansanchez.com/2008/08/21/institutionalizing-friedman/comment-page-1/#comment-5652</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg N.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 15:22:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. I&#039;m not sure what you&#039;ve pointed out is a &quot;logical loophole.&quot; Note the word &quot;Assuming.&quot; Sure, it&#039;s possible that these people just want to use Milton Friedman&#039;s name to promote an ideology inconsistent with Friedman&#039;s. But it&#039;s unlikely. Either way, I think the conclusion follows from the premise (which, again, could be false, but I doubt it).

2. Friedman is much more famous than Mises, and, as far as economics scholarship - like JS notes - Chicago is much more noteworthy than Auburn, AL. Hence, the folks at the Friedman Institute will be much less likely to mess with Friedman&#039;s legacy than Rockwell, et.al. have with Mises&#039;, if only because they&#039;re more likely to be caught doing it, and more (and more important) people will care if they do.

3. This one isn&#039;t related to your point, but FWIW, Mises really wasn&#039;t interested in open dialogue and debate with his intellectual opponents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. I&#8217;m not sure what you&#8217;ve pointed out is a &#8220;logical loophole.&#8221; Note the word &#8220;Assuming.&#8221; Sure, it&#8217;s possible that these people just want to use Milton Friedman&#8217;s name to promote an ideology inconsistent with Friedman&#8217;s. But it&#8217;s unlikely. Either way, I think the conclusion follows from the premise (which, again, could be false, but I doubt it).</p>
<p>2. Friedman is much more famous than Mises, and, as far as economics scholarship &#8211; like JS notes &#8211; Chicago is much more noteworthy than Auburn, AL. Hence, the folks at the Friedman Institute will be much less likely to mess with Friedman&#8217;s legacy than Rockwell, et.al. have with Mises&#8217;, if only because they&#8217;re more likely to be caught doing it, and more (and more important) people will care if they do.</p>
<p>3. This one isn&#8217;t related to your point, but FWIW, Mises really wasn&#8217;t interested in open dialogue and debate with his intellectual opponents.</p>
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		<title>By: Julian Sanchez</title>
		<link>http://www.juliansanchez.com/2008/08/21/institutionalizing-friedman/comment-page-1/#comment-5650</link>
		<dc:creator>Julian Sanchez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 07:29:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The LvMI is also a crank outfit out in assfuck Alabama somewhere, not a division of the University of Chicago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The LvMI is also a crank outfit out in assfuck Alabama somewhere, not a division of the University of Chicago.</p>
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		<title>By: mds</title>
		<link>http://www.juliansanchez.com/2008/08/21/institutionalizing-friedman/comment-page-1/#comment-5647</link>
		<dc:creator>mds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 18:41:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Assuming the Institute’s founders want to act consistent with Friedman’s spirit, it’s ridiculous to pretend that the Institute named for him wouldn’t “have room for true academic debate.”&lt;/em&gt;

Yeah, uh, can anyone find the logical loophole here?

Hint: the Ludwig von Mises Institute is stuffed with social conservatives who endorse militant restrictions on immigration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Assuming the Institute’s founders want to act consistent with Friedman’s spirit, it’s ridiculous to pretend that the Institute named for him wouldn’t “have room for true academic debate.”</em></p>
<p>Yeah, uh, can anyone find the logical loophole here?</p>
<p>Hint: the Ludwig von Mises Institute is stuffed with social conservatives who endorse militant restrictions on immigration.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg N.</title>
		<link>http://www.juliansanchez.com/2008/08/21/institutionalizing-friedman/comment-page-1/#comment-5642</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg N.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 17:48:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I yelled, &quot;Huzzah!&quot; thrice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I yelled, &#8220;Huzzah!&#8221; thrice.</p>
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		<title>By: Micha Ghertner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Micha Ghertner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 16:11:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;In reality, of course, I’d never dream of denying that market failures exist and merit study. Thomas Frank draws a salary, after all.&quot;

I yelled &quot;Zing!&quot; out loud at my computer while reading this line. ZOL?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;In reality, of course, I’d never dream of denying that market failures exist and merit study. Thomas Frank draws a salary, after all.&#8221;</p>
<p>I yelled &#8220;Zing!&#8221; out loud at my computer while reading this line. ZOL?</p>
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		<title>By: Greg N.</title>
		<link>http://www.juliansanchez.com/2008/08/21/institutionalizing-friedman/comment-page-1/#comment-5638</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg N.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 14:52:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Friedman is arguably best known for his &quot;Free to Choose&quot; video series. A significant portion of that series is the roundtable debate between market advocates and advocates of intervention. 

Further, Friedman never seemed afraid to tangle with an intellectual opponent. Assuming the Institute&#039;s founders want to act consistent with Friedman&#039;s spirit, it&#039;s ridiculous to pretend that the Institute named for him wouldn&#039;t &quot;have room for true academic debate.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Friedman is arguably best known for his &#8220;Free to Choose&#8221; video series. A significant portion of that series is the roundtable debate between market advocates and advocates of intervention. </p>
<p>Further, Friedman never seemed afraid to tangle with an intellectual opponent. Assuming the Institute&#8217;s founders want to act consistent with Friedman&#8217;s spirit, it&#8217;s ridiculous to pretend that the Institute named for him wouldn&#8217;t &#8220;have room for true academic debate.&#8221;</p>
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