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		<title>By: Elliander</title>
		<link>http://www.juliansanchez.com/2008/07/01/summoning-a-hobgoblin/comment-page-1/#comment-6591</link>
		<dc:creator>Elliander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 09:19:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that was well written. 

Personally, I think that there are allot of views I would rather not have to hear (such as, for example, people using strong negative tones as seen in some of the other comments left here.) but there is a danger in trying to interfere with freedom. If it isn&#039;t freedom for all, it&#039;s not a free country at all.

My personal views on Marriage as a whole is that it is a religious ideal. I think that the Government should not be involved at all in Marriage or Divorce, no matter the gender. People get Married because they love one another, and so they make a contract before their chosen deity to love and cherish one another. That&#039;s the way it is, as it has been for thousands of years. 

But in our culture that has changed for a number of practical reasons. Such as Tax Filing, Insurance, and Age Restrictions to Protect Children. These have nothing to do with the Religion or the function of the Family or the Marriage as a whole.

But the more the Government dictates about Marriage, the less Marriage really means. Now you can get Married before a Judge. No temple, no spiritual value, no Religion.

What ever happened to the Seperation of Church and State? Is a Marriage part of Religion, or the Government?

If it&#039;s still of Religion, then leave the Government out of it. If a Preacher wishes to Marry Gays, that&#039;s the choice of the Preacher. If he doesn&#039;t want to, he should have the right to refuse to Marry them just the same. 

If it&#039;s Government, then we have already lost the sanctity of Marriage and nothing anyone can do can soil it more.

Speaking for myself, I fail to see the value in Government Marriage. If and when I choose to Marry, whoever that may be, I would not wish it to be before the Judge or Jury but before the Divine. That, even being between a man and a woman, I would choose not to have it legally recognized simply because I believe that the Government should have no right to the Sanctity of what would by my Marriage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that was well written. </p>
<p>Personally, I think that there are allot of views I would rather not have to hear (such as, for example, people using strong negative tones as seen in some of the other comments left here.) but there is a danger in trying to interfere with freedom. If it isn&#8217;t freedom for all, it&#8217;s not a free country at all.</p>
<p>My personal views on Marriage as a whole is that it is a religious ideal. I think that the Government should not be involved at all in Marriage or Divorce, no matter the gender. People get Married because they love one another, and so they make a contract before their chosen deity to love and cherish one another. That&#8217;s the way it is, as it has been for thousands of years. </p>
<p>But in our culture that has changed for a number of practical reasons. Such as Tax Filing, Insurance, and Age Restrictions to Protect Children. These have nothing to do with the Religion or the function of the Family or the Marriage as a whole.</p>
<p>But the more the Government dictates about Marriage, the less Marriage really means. Now you can get Married before a Judge. No temple, no spiritual value, no Religion.</p>
<p>What ever happened to the Seperation of Church and State? Is a Marriage part of Religion, or the Government?</p>
<p>If it&#8217;s still of Religion, then leave the Government out of it. If a Preacher wishes to Marry Gays, that&#8217;s the choice of the Preacher. If he doesn&#8217;t want to, he should have the right to refuse to Marry them just the same. </p>
<p>If it&#8217;s Government, then we have already lost the sanctity of Marriage and nothing anyone can do can soil it more.</p>
<p>Speaking for myself, I fail to see the value in Government Marriage. If and when I choose to Marry, whoever that may be, I would not wish it to be before the Judge or Jury but before the Divine. That, even being between a man and a woman, I would choose not to have it legally recognized simply because I believe that the Government should have no right to the Sanctity of what would by my Marriage.</p>
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		<title>By: southpaw</title>
		<link>http://www.juliansanchez.com/2008/07/01/summoning-a-hobgoblin/comment-page-1/#comment-4942</link>
		<dc:creator>southpaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 23:09:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Kevin&#039;s probably right that this is just political pragmatism.  I also think there might be a way of rationalizing it in which Obama opposes including gays in the definition of Christian marriage but doesn&#039;t want the state in the business of defining marriage at all.  I tried to explain it &lt;a href=&quot;http://theamericanscene.com/2008/07/01/gay-rights-and-the-obama-legacy&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;, but it all ended in tears.  So I leave you with the cliff&#039;s notes.

Also, if this video of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBGIQ7ZuuiU&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;McCain giving Hugo Chavez and Wesley Clark energetic rimjobs&lt;/a&gt; gets out, he may well lose Utah, his clear opposition to gay marriage notwithstanding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Kevin&#8217;s probably right that this is just political pragmatism.  I also think there might be a way of rationalizing it in which Obama opposes including gays in the definition of Christian marriage but doesn&#8217;t want the state in the business of defining marriage at all.  I tried to explain it <a href="http://theamericanscene.com/2008/07/01/gay-rights-and-the-obama-legacy" rel="nofollow">here</a>, but it all ended in tears.  So I leave you with the cliff&#8217;s notes.</p>
<p>Also, if this video of <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBGIQ7ZuuiU" rel="nofollow">McCain giving Hugo Chavez and Wesley Clark energetic rimjobs</a> gets out, he may well lose Utah, his clear opposition to gay marriage notwithstanding.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin B. O'Reilly</title>
		<link>http://www.juliansanchez.com/2008/07/01/summoning-a-hobgoblin/comment-page-1/#comment-4940</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin B. O'Reilly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 15:07:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right about California, but I still think it&#039;s clear you&#039;re giving the guy too much credit. He&#039;s trying to have his cake and eat it too. If he really opposes gay marriage, he shouldn&#039;t have any problem with a vote of the people to outlaw it. I know I&#039;d have no problem with a constitutional amendment to, for example, end the income tax.

By the way, did you all hear there&#039;s a video showing Obama giving Osama bin Laden a rimjob?! Now, I haven&#039;t seen it yet, but I heard from a friend who says he has and just watch out ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right about California, but I still think it&#8217;s clear you&#8217;re giving the guy too much credit. He&#8217;s trying to have his cake and eat it too. If he really opposes gay marriage, he shouldn&#8217;t have any problem with a vote of the people to outlaw it. I know I&#8217;d have no problem with a constitutional amendment to, for example, end the income tax.</p>
<p>By the way, did you all hear there&#8217;s a video showing Obama giving Osama bin Laden a rimjob?! Now, I haven&#8217;t seen it yet, but I heard from a friend who says he has and just watch out &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Julian Sanchez</title>
		<link>http://www.juliansanchez.com/2008/07/01/summoning-a-hobgoblin/comment-page-1/#comment-4929</link>
		<dc:creator>Julian Sanchez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 05:38:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kevin-
   Short of Obama being caught on film giving Osama bin Laden a rimjob--and even that might cut both ways--nothing will make California a competitive state in November. Kerry took a more anti–gay marriage stance in 2004 and still won it by a million votes.

Tybalt-
  I thought that was more or less what I was trying to say, albeit a bit more windily.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin-<br />
   Short of Obama being caught on film giving Osama bin Laden a rimjob&#8211;and even that might cut both ways&#8211;nothing will make California a competitive state in November. Kerry took a more anti–gay marriage stance in 2004 and still won it by a million votes.</p>
<p>Tybalt-<br />
  I thought that was more or less what I was trying to say, albeit a bit more windily.</p>
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		<title>By: Tybalt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tybalt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 02:48:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, Julian, I think that&#039;s an easier way of expressing the view that Obama holds (one that a lot of us who are legal/constitutional scholars share).  That there is no need for legislators to run pell-mell into constitutional amendments every time there is a court ruling that they do not like.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, Julian, I think that&#8217;s an easier way of expressing the view that Obama holds (one that a lot of us who are legal/constitutional scholars share).  That there is no need for legislators to run pell-mell into constitutional amendments every time there is a court ruling that they do not like.</p>
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		<title>By: Tybalt</title>
		<link>http://www.juliansanchez.com/2008/07/01/summoning-a-hobgoblin/comment-page-1/#comment-4921</link>
		<dc:creator>Tybalt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 02:44:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How is a constitutional amendment to block gay marriage not discriminatory?  It&#039;s discriminatory on its face.  

Plus it&#039;s obviously divisive (both the marriage ruling itself and the amendment to try to block it).

The comment is trivially true.  

I realize that a modern Republican, will usually thirst to prohibit by law anything that is not mandatory by law, but rational people permit themselves the luxury of allowing the courts to do what they are supposed to do, and interpret the freaking law.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How is a constitutional amendment to block gay marriage not discriminatory?  It&#8217;s discriminatory on its face.  </p>
<p>Plus it&#8217;s obviously divisive (both the marriage ruling itself and the amendment to try to block it).</p>
<p>The comment is trivially true.  </p>
<p>I realize that a modern Republican, will usually thirst to prohibit by law anything that is not mandatory by law, but rational people permit themselves the luxury of allowing the courts to do what they are supposed to do, and interpret the freaking law.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin B. O'Reilly</title>
		<link>http://www.juliansanchez.com/2008/07/01/summoning-a-hobgoblin/comment-page-1/#comment-4920</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin B. O'Reilly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 02:19:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice try, Julesy. Why are you wasting so much breath trying to defend this two-faced jerk?

The *simplest* explanation is that Obama doesn&#039;t want to do anything that would make California a competitive state in November, even if it means, er, complicating his efforts to appeal to the majority of Americans who oppose gay marriage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice try, Julesy. Why are you wasting so much breath trying to defend this two-faced jerk?</p>
<p>The *simplest* explanation is that Obama doesn&#8217;t want to do anything that would make California a competitive state in November, even if it means, er, complicating his efforts to appeal to the majority of Americans who oppose gay marriage.</p>
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