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		<title>By: bad loans</title>
		<link>http://www.juliansanchez.com/2008/01/17/let-me-teach-you-my-secret-beltway-handshake/comment-page-2/#comment-5676</link>
		<dc:creator>bad loans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 21:03:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey !! 
its very interesting article. 
Good post. 
realy good post 
 
thank you ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey !!<br />
its very interesting article.<br />
Good post.<br />
realy good post </p>
<p>thank you <img src='http://www.juliansanchez.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: ISHMAel back</title>
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		<dc:creator>ISHMAel back</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 04:45:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: ISHMAel back</title>
		<link>http://www.juliansanchez.com/2008/01/17/let-me-teach-you-my-secret-beltway-handshake/comment-page-2/#comment-3738</link>
		<dc:creator>ISHMAel back</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 04:45:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: brendon</title>
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		<dc:creator>brendon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 22:18:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Another thing that&#039;s tedious about Kirchick&#039;s article is its utter humorlessness. He dredges up what are mostly old wisecracks, then gasps in horror at them. How dare anyone say such a thing! Or even imagine it! And then the Reason crowd gasps along in horror with him.

Yawn.

Talk about &quot;moral panics&quot; ...&quot;

steve, this is fair -- up to a point. Tastes may vary, but i think calling 1980s era new york &#039;rapetown&#039; is funny, and calling barbara jordan a &#039;half-educated race victimologist&#039; is fair-play. but saying that MLK &#039;seduced underage girls and boys&#039; sounds more like a deranged allegation than a joke. and what about all the conspiratoid trilateral commission black helicopter nuttery? i mean, for god&#039;s sakes, the newsletter was called the ron paul SURVIVAL report! doesn&#039;t this play into the making-bombs-in-the-outhouse image most libertarians want to avoid?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Another thing that&#8217;s tedious about Kirchick&#8217;s article is its utter humorlessness. He dredges up what are mostly old wisecracks, then gasps in horror at them. How dare anyone say such a thing! Or even imagine it! And then the Reason crowd gasps along in horror with him.</p>
<p>Yawn.</p>
<p>Talk about &#8220;moral panics&#8221; &#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>steve, this is fair &#8212; up to a point. Tastes may vary, but i think calling 1980s era new york &#8216;rapetown&#8217; is funny, and calling barbara jordan a &#8216;half-educated race victimologist&#8217; is fair-play. but saying that MLK &#8216;seduced underage girls and boys&#8217; sounds more like a deranged allegation than a joke. and what about all the conspiratoid trilateral commission black helicopter nuttery? i mean, for god&#8217;s sakes, the newsletter was called the ron paul SURVIVAL report! doesn&#8217;t this play into the making-bombs-in-the-outhouse image most libertarians want to avoid?</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Starr</title>
		<link>http://www.juliansanchez.com/2008/01/17/let-me-teach-you-my-secret-beltway-handshake/comment-page-2/#comment-3663</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Starr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 01:30:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately, racism doesn&#039;t necessarily doom political movements to failure.  The South succeeded in reversing Reconstruction for about a century, from 1975 to 1965 or so.  The most successful, longest-running terrorist movement in American history was the Ku Klux Klan.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, racism doesn&#8217;t necessarily doom political movements to failure.  The South succeeded in reversing Reconstruction for about a century, from 1975 to 1965 or so.  The most successful, longest-running terrorist movement in American history was the Ku Klux Klan.</p>
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		<title>By: Julian Sanchez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julian Sanchez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 21:00:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hm, maybe I am getting a bit cranky; sorry.  I do still think it&#039;s a justifiable use of resources.  The Kirchick piece was at least a minor bombshell in libertarian circles, and my highly unscientific sample of libertarians I know suggested a lot of people had questions about the campaign&#039;s rather minimal explanation, and found the question of authorship relevant.  If this stuff had appeared in the John McCain Political Report, and then it came out that the author was still a top McCain adviser, it would be on the front page of the New York Times.  This story isn&#039;t getting that kind of traction because The New York Times doesn&#039;t care about Ron Paul one way or another, but Reason readers do.  They may not like the answers we found, but that doesn&#039;t mean it isn&#039;t news.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hm, maybe I am getting a bit cranky; sorry.  I do still think it&#8217;s a justifiable use of resources.  The Kirchick piece was at least a minor bombshell in libertarian circles, and my highly unscientific sample of libertarians I know suggested a lot of people had questions about the campaign&#8217;s rather minimal explanation, and found the question of authorship relevant.  If this stuff had appeared in the John McCain Political Report, and then it came out that the author was still a top McCain adviser, it would be on the front page of the New York Times.  This story isn&#8217;t getting that kind of traction because The New York Times doesn&#8217;t care about Ron Paul one way or another, but Reason readers do.  They may not like the answers we found, but that doesn&#8217;t mean it isn&#8217;t news.</p>
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		<title>By: Less Antman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Less Antman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 20:51:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, that wasn&#039;t the only point I tried to make in my post.  I did lead with a correction I hadn&#039;t seen earlier and hit other subjects.

I do want to make clear that I thought the earlier nastiness to which you referred was extremely unhelpful and inappropriate, but I&#039;m not inclined to treat the behavior of others as a standard for my own.  And the reason I offered for objecting to the investigative article had nothing whatsoever to do with &quot;infighting,&quot; and everything to do with considering the most productive use of one&#039;s limited resources.  I also offered a take on the issue of libertarianism being associated with racism, and how best to deal with it.

But I can understand a bit of crankiness at this point.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, that wasn&#8217;t the only point I tried to make in my post.  I did lead with a correction I hadn&#8217;t seen earlier and hit other subjects.</p>
<p>I do want to make clear that I thought the earlier nastiness to which you referred was extremely unhelpful and inappropriate, but I&#8217;m not inclined to treat the behavior of others as a standard for my own.  And the reason I offered for objecting to the investigative article had nothing whatsoever to do with &#8220;infighting,&#8221; and everything to do with considering the most productive use of one&#8217;s limited resources.  I also offered a take on the issue of libertarianism being associated with racism, and how best to deal with it.</p>
<p>But I can understand a bit of crankiness at this point.</p>
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		<title>By: Julian Sanchez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julian Sanchez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 15:11:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Y&#039;know, I know you mean well, but my head is going to explode if I hear one more person lament all this awful &quot;infighting&quot; because god forbid we ran one investigative article.  We followed up on a significant story about a prominent libertarian candidate we had been covering heavily and mostly positively. I would do it again exactly the same way without an instant&#039;s hesitation.  It is not &quot;infighting&quot; just because the upshot of the investigation happens to reflect badly on people who have been bitching and ranting about evil &quot;Beltway Libertarians&quot; nonstop for years while their targets largely maintained a polite silence.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Y&#8217;know, I know you mean well, but my head is going to explode if I hear one more person lament all this awful &#8220;infighting&#8221; because god forbid we ran one investigative article.  We followed up on a significant story about a prominent libertarian candidate we had been covering heavily and mostly positively. I would do it again exactly the same way without an instant&#8217;s hesitation.  It is not &#8220;infighting&#8221; just because the upshot of the investigation happens to reflect badly on people who have been bitching and ranting about evil &#8220;Beltway Libertarians&#8221; nonstop for years while their targets largely maintained a polite silence.</p>
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		<title>By: Less Antman</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 06:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve Horwitz self-referenced cosmopolitan values and their importance to libertarianism in a November 28 post on the Liberty &amp; Power blog (http://hnn.us/blogs/entries/45044.html), and a couple of libertarians on that blog have since referred to themselves as cosmopolitan libertarians or cosmos without my sensing any irony or mockery in their use of the term.  I don&#039;t see it as being an insult, and I definitely have seen people using it to describe themselves.


I don&#039;t want to get in the middle of this unfortunate spat.  I believe it would be better for us to move on, try to be effective personal spokespeople for libertarianism, and cease attacking others.  If libertarianism is being associated in the minds of some with racism, the only effective solution is for non-racists to promote libertarianism as actively as possible.  Neither condemning nor disassociating from others is a particularly useful strategy (indeed, if I had to cease friendships and associations with anyone who didn&#039;t live up to my personal moral code, I would have to cut off contact with every person in the world, myself included).  In any event, we&#039;re all no more than six links away from Kevin Bacon, Osama bin Laden, and Dick Cheney.


It is not sufficient justification to attack Paul or Paul&#039;s friends that the attacks be true.  It is also an editorial determination as to how to use limited resources.  I really doubt that investigating these newsletters is at all the best way to promote libertarian values, regardless of the final conclusions drawn.


My own modest contribution to this debate was posted somewhere (http://hnn.us/comments/117837.html).  While it is hardly the last word on the subject, I wish it could be, as there are so many more useful things we could all be doing with our time to advance libertarianism.


For my part, I intend to continue reading the output of Reason, CATO, lewrockwell.com, and antiwar.com.  As Rodney King (yes, that Rodney King) once said, &quot;Can we all get along?&quot;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve Horwitz self-referenced cosmopolitan values and their importance to libertarianism in a November 28 post on the Liberty &#038; Power blog (<a href="http://hnn.us/blogs/entries/45044.html" rel="nofollow">http://hnn.us/blogs/entries/45044.html</a>), and a couple of libertarians on that blog have since referred to themselves as cosmopolitan libertarians or cosmos without my sensing any irony or mockery in their use of the term.  I don&#8217;t see it as being an insult, and I definitely have seen people using it to describe themselves.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t want to get in the middle of this unfortunate spat.  I believe it would be better for us to move on, try to be effective personal spokespeople for libertarianism, and cease attacking others.  If libertarianism is being associated in the minds of some with racism, the only effective solution is for non-racists to promote libertarianism as actively as possible.  Neither condemning nor disassociating from others is a particularly useful strategy (indeed, if I had to cease friendships and associations with anyone who didn&#8217;t live up to my personal moral code, I would have to cut off contact with every person in the world, myself included).  In any event, we&#8217;re all no more than six links away from Kevin Bacon, Osama bin Laden, and Dick Cheney.</p>
<p>It is not sufficient justification to attack Paul or Paul&#8217;s friends that the attacks be true.  It is also an editorial determination as to how to use limited resources.  I really doubt that investigating these newsletters is at all the best way to promote libertarian values, regardless of the final conclusions drawn.</p>
<p>My own modest contribution to this debate was posted somewhere (<a href="http://hnn.us/comments/117837.html" rel="nofollow">http://hnn.us/comments/117837.html</a>).  While it is hardly the last word on the subject, I wish it could be, as there are so many more useful things we could all be doing with our time to advance libertarianism.</p>
<p>For my part, I intend to continue reading the output of Reason, CATO, lewrockwell.com, and antiwar.com.  As Rodney King (yes, that Rodney King) once said, &#8220;Can we all get along?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: 4jkb4ia</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 16:45:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama the secret black nationalist is almost equivalent to Obama the secret Muslim. Running as a black nationalist would have paid off for Obama when running for the state legislature, but he did not do that. MM must say that Obama always wanted to run for national office. Obama has not governed as a black nationalist. All of Obama&#039;s rhetoric shows a strong belief in a universal public interest. Libertarians and public choice theorists may not believe there is such a thing, but that is then a sufficient reason not to vote for him.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama the secret black nationalist is almost equivalent to Obama the secret Muslim. Running as a black nationalist would have paid off for Obama when running for the state legislature, but he did not do that. MM must say that Obama always wanted to run for national office. Obama has not governed as a black nationalist. All of Obama&#8217;s rhetoric shows a strong belief in a universal public interest. Libertarians and public choice theorists may not believe there is such a thing, but that is then a sufficient reason not to vote for him.</p>
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