Comments on: Family Reunions Must Be Awkward http://www.juliansanchez.com/2007/12/13/family-reunions-must-be-awkward/ Just another geek in the geek kingdom Thu, 09 Feb 2012 05:38:37 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2 By: Eric D. Dixon http://www.juliansanchez.com/2007/12/13/family-reunions-must-be-awkward/comment-page-1/#comment-3449 Eric D. Dixon Sun, 06 Jan 2008 09:21:33 +0000 http://juliansanchez.com/?p=2121#comment-3449 It's much more prosaic than this. Because Mormons believe that everybody God created are brothers and sisters to each other on a spiritual level, their posited filial relationship to deity includes Jesus and Satan as much as it includes, say, Jack the Ripper, Joseph Smith, Adolph Hitler, Milton Friedman, Mother Theresa, Paris Hilton, or any random reader of this blog. Although Jesus and Satan get most of the press, nothing about the doctrine actually singles out any particular subgroup as a tiny dysfunctional nuclear family... It’s much more prosaic than this. Because Mormons believe that everybody God created are brothers and sisters to each other on a spiritual level, their posited filial relationship to deity includes Jesus and Satan as much as it includes, say, Jack the Ripper, Joseph Smith, Adolph Hitler, Milton Friedman, Mother Theresa, Paris Hilton, or any random reader of this blog. Although Jesus and Satan get most of the press, nothing about the doctrine actually singles out any particular subgroup as a tiny dysfunctional nuclear family…

]]> By: Anonymo http://www.juliansanchez.com/2007/12/13/family-reunions-must-be-awkward/comment-page-1/#comment-3448 Anonymo Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:10:12 +0000 http://juliansanchez.com/?p=2121#comment-3448 <i>If Jesus is just sort of constitutionally perfect and sinless, it seems less impressive, in a way. If he could have been another Satan but opted to go the Satan route, that's another story again.</i> Which is why <i>The Last Temptation of Christ</i> is the only Jesus movie that ever made any sense to me. (and I think that should read "... but opted to go the Jesus route...") If Jesus is just sort of constitutionally perfect and sinless, it seems less impressive, in a way. If he could have been another Satan but opted to go the Satan route, that’s another story again.

Which is why The Last Temptation of Christ is the only Jesus movie that ever made any sense to me.

(and I think that should read “… but opted to go the Jesus route…”)

]]> By: Anon http://www.juliansanchez.com/2007/12/13/family-reunions-must-be-awkward/comment-page-1/#comment-3447 Anon Thu, 13 Dec 2007 19:02:16 +0000 http://juliansanchez.com/?p=2121#comment-3447 I don't know anything about him, but the Nicene creed is generally viewed as determining what was inside and outside of Christianity at the time of its writing (Inside -- Orthodox, Copts, etc. , outside -- Arians). All the big groups that have become distinct since then up until recently have conformed to it (Eastern Orthodox, Roman Catholic, mainline Protestants, evangelical Protestants). Unitarians aren't on the inside and neither are Mormons, Jehovah's witnesses, etc. Also, as to the "definitive core elements," that is what the Nicene Creed and its subsequent revisions are. It might appear to be an arbitrary distinction, but it is hard to use the terms "Christian" and "Christianity" to mean any sort of identifiable group of beliefs and believers otherwise. I don’t know anything about him, but the Nicene creed is generally viewed as determining what was inside and outside of Christianity at the time of its writing (Inside — Orthodox, Copts, etc. , outside — Arians). All the big groups that have become distinct since then up until recently have conformed to it (Eastern Orthodox, Roman Catholic, mainline Protestants, evangelical Protestants).

Unitarians aren’t on the inside and neither are Mormons, Jehovah’s witnesses, etc.

Also, as to the “definitive core elements,” that is what the Nicene Creed and its subsequent revisions are.

It might appear to be an arbitrary distinction, but it is hard to use the terms “Christian” and “Christianity” to mean any sort of identifiable group of beliefs and believers otherwise.

]]> By: Julian Sanchez http://www.juliansanchez.com/2007/12/13/family-reunions-must-be-awkward/comment-page-1/#comment-3446 Julian Sanchez Thu, 13 Dec 2007 18:40:16 +0000 http://juliansanchez.com/?p=2121#comment-3446 Hmm... so was Saint Lucian of Antioch not a Christian? Hmm… so was Saint Lucian of Antioch not a Christian?

]]> By: Anon http://www.juliansanchez.com/2007/12/13/family-reunions-must-be-awkward/comment-page-1/#comment-3445 Anon Thu, 13 Dec 2007 17:45:27 +0000 http://juliansanchez.com/?p=2121#comment-3445 Ones that don't conform to the Nicene creed. Ones that don’t conform to the Nicene creed.

]]> By: Julian Sanchez http://www.juliansanchez.com/2007/12/13/family-reunions-must-be-awkward/comment-page-1/#comment-3444 Julian Sanchez Thu, 13 Dec 2007 17:39:15 +0000 http://juliansanchez.com/?p=2121#comment-3444 Well, what exactly IS "Christianity"? Mormonism seems to share the definitive core elements--monotheism, the divinity of Jesus--and beyond those, there's a fair amount of variety among Christian sects. What gets one voted off the island? Well, what exactly IS “Christianity”? Mormonism seems to share the definitive core elements–monotheism, the divinity of Jesus–and beyond those, there’s a fair amount of variety among Christian sects. What gets one voted off the island?

]]> By: Chuchundra http://www.juliansanchez.com/2007/12/13/family-reunions-must-be-awkward/comment-page-1/#comment-3443 Chuchundra Thu, 13 Dec 2007 17:06:35 +0000 http://juliansanchez.com/?p=2121#comment-3443 It is a neat idea, but it's not Christianity. It is a neat idea, but it’s not Christianity.

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