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	<title>Comments on: Libertarian Paternalism: The Revenge</title>
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		<title>By: Dave W.</title>
		<link>http://www.juliansanchez.com/2007/05/31/libertarian-paternalism-the-revenge/comment-page-1/#comment-2445</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 15:27:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My favorite form of libertarian paternalism is government mandated nutritional labeling.  I see this form of paternalism as high preferable to food bans.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My favorite form of libertarian paternalism is government mandated nutritional labeling.  I see this form of paternalism as high preferable to food bans.</p>
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		<title>By: Arkady</title>
		<link>http://www.juliansanchez.com/2007/05/31/libertarian-paternalism-the-revenge/comment-page-1/#comment-2444</link>
		<dc:creator>Arkady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 06:48:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you&#039;re both right: innocuous policy A could be a good option if it moves you away from a pre-existing intrusive policy B, or if it diffuses political support for policy B (although given the history of slippery slopes and reductio creep, I&#039;m not sure the second scenario really occurs in the long run).

But if the examples in Glen&#039;s post are at all representative, then voluntary casino blacklists and different retirement plan defaults aren&#039;t really of the same degree (plus, you can imagine how either of them might arise -- and have before -- without state coercion). If Sunstein and Thaler &quot;would be willing to impose real [I assume here they mean &lt;i&gt;large&lt;/i&gt;] costs on workers and consumers who seek to do what, in the paternalist’s view, would not be in their best interests,” then I don&#039;t understand how that is any different from the same old normal paternalism.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you&#8217;re both right: innocuous policy A could be a good option if it moves you away from a pre-existing intrusive policy B, or if it diffuses political support for policy B (although given the history of slippery slopes and reductio creep, I&#8217;m not sure the second scenario really occurs in the long run).</p>
<p>But if the examples in Glen&#8217;s post are at all representative, then voluntary casino blacklists and different retirement plan defaults aren&#8217;t really of the same degree (plus, you can imagine how either of them might arise &#8212; and have before &#8212; without state coercion). If Sunstein and Thaler &#8220;would be willing to impose real [I assume here they mean <i>large</i>] costs on workers and consumers who seek to do what, in the paternalist’s view, would not be in their best interests,” then I don&#8217;t understand how that is any different from the same old normal paternalism.</p>
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		<title>By: Julian Sanchez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julian Sanchez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 02:10:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glen:  Well, not for cases where we&#039;re already at the bottom of the slope.  Something like the no-gambling list might make the legalization of gambling in more areas more palatable; you can imagine some parallel system for recreational drugs.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glen:  Well, not for cases where we&#8217;re already at the bottom of the slope.  Something like the no-gambling list might make the legalization of gambling in more areas more palatable; you can imagine some parallel system for recreational drugs.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave W.</title>
		<link>http://www.juliansanchez.com/2007/05/31/libertarian-paternalism-the-revenge/comment-page-1/#comment-2442</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 00:44:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice post!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice post!</p>
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		<title>By: Glen Whitman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glen Whitman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2007 23:24:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think your metaphors are in conflict, Julian.  If you think the slippery slope is the most serious objection to libertarian paternalism, you can&#039;t follow that by saying you&#039;d like a little bit of soft paternalism as a vaccine against hard paternalism.  These are contradictory mechanisms.  The slippery slope mechanism says that innocuous policy A increases the likelihood of intrusive policy B.  The vaccine mechanism says that innocuous policy A decreases the likelihood of intrusive policy B.

I also think you should take the semantic arguments more seriously, because it is precisely through semantic manipulation that people like Sunstein &amp; Thaler are greasing the slope.  For more on this, see my follow-up post:

http://agoraphilia.blogspot.com/2007/05/how-libertarian-paternalism-greases.html

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think your metaphors are in conflict, Julian.  If you think the slippery slope is the most serious objection to libertarian paternalism, you can&#8217;t follow that by saying you&#8217;d like a little bit of soft paternalism as a vaccine against hard paternalism.  These are contradictory mechanisms.  The slippery slope mechanism says that innocuous policy A increases the likelihood of intrusive policy B.  The vaccine mechanism says that innocuous policy A decreases the likelihood of intrusive policy B.</p>
<p>I also think you should take the semantic arguments more seriously, because it is precisely through semantic manipulation that people like Sunstein &#038; Thaler are greasing the slope.  For more on this, see my follow-up post:</p>
<p><a href="http://agoraphilia.blogspot.com/2007/05/how-libertarian-paternalism-greases.html" rel="nofollow">http://agoraphilia.blogspot.com/2007/05/how-libertarian-paternalism-greases.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: jadagul</title>
		<link>http://www.juliansanchez.com/2007/05/31/libertarian-paternalism-the-revenge/comment-page-1/#comment-2440</link>
		<dc:creator>jadagul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2007 22:49:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are certain types of libertarian paternalism that don&#039;t bother me at all.  The main example that comes to mind is default contract rules: for instance, I have no problem assuming that any contract that doesn&#039;t explicitly include &quot;will perform sexual favors for coworkers/boss&quot; as a job responsibility includes a tacit provision saying that no such favors are required (as a proponent of legalized prostitution I obviously think contracts that explicitly mandate the performance of sexual acts should be valid). Similarly, I wouldn&#039;t really be upset by something like Glen&#039;s 1-4, such as the presumption of a certain amount of vacation time, as long as overriding that presumption really is as simple as including a &quot;vacation time&quot; clause in the contract.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are certain types of libertarian paternalism that don&#8217;t bother me at all.  The main example that comes to mind is default contract rules: for instance, I have no problem assuming that any contract that doesn&#8217;t explicitly include &#8220;will perform sexual favors for coworkers/boss&#8221; as a job responsibility includes a tacit provision saying that no such favors are required (as a proponent of legalized prostitution I obviously think contracts that explicitly mandate the performance of sexual acts should be valid). Similarly, I wouldn&#8217;t really be upset by something like Glen&#8217;s 1-4, such as the presumption of a certain amount of vacation time, as long as overriding that presumption really is as simple as including a &#8220;vacation time&#8221; clause in the contract.</p>
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