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	<title>Comments on: That Elusive Ingredient&#8230; That&#8230; SPARK!</title>
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		<title>By: thoreau</title>
		<link>http://www.juliansanchez.com/2007/05/17/that-elusive-ingredient-that-spark/comment-page-1/#comment-2254</link>
		<dc:creator>thoreau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2007 16:02:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking as a scientist, I would say that the real question in all this is whether science writers are intelligent beings.  I recently met a science writer for a wire service and was thoroughly unimpressed.

Scientific American and the Economist have some good science writers.  NPR has some good reporting.  But daily newspapers and weekly news magazine (except, of course, the Economist) are useless when it comes to science reporting.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking as a scientist, I would say that the real question in all this is whether science writers are intelligent beings.  I recently met a science writer for a wire service and was thoroughly unimpressed.</p>
<p>Scientific American and the Economist have some good science writers.  NPR has some good reporting.  But daily newspapers and weekly news magazine (except, of course, the Economist) are useless when it comes to science reporting.</p>
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		<title>By: Julian Sanchez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julian Sanchez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 23:57:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I think the *researcher* is off the hook; the reporter less so.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I think the *researcher* is off the hook; the reporter less so.</p>
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		<title>By: AM</title>
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		<dc:creator>AM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 23:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LP&#039;s right. &quot;...experience as free will&quot; clears the researcher from your complaint. But, you know, once we demystify (&quot;determinize&quot;) the concept of free will, it turns out to have everything to do with simply decision-making agency, computational power, adaptability to novel inputs, etc. We humans have &quot;free will&quot; inasmuch as we&#039;re fantastic decision-making machines. If this research shows fruit flies to be more fantastic decision-making machines than previously thought, then ipso facto they have more &quot;free will&quot; than previously thought.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LP&#8217;s right. &#8220;&#8230;experience as free will&#8221; clears the researcher from your complaint. But, you know, once we demystify (&#8220;determinize&#8221;) the concept of free will, it turns out to have everything to do with simply decision-making agency, computational power, adaptability to novel inputs, etc. We humans have &#8220;free will&#8221; inasmuch as we&#8217;re fantastic decision-making machines. If this research shows fruit flies to be more fantastic decision-making machines than previously thought, then ipso facto they have more &#8220;free will&#8221; than previously thought.</p>
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		<title>By: John Goes</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Goes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 16:34:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many months later, there were some snags.  He realized he would essentially have to build a computer smarter than a human being to compute the necessarily probabalities and provide a framework for the manifestation of the chaotic engine he was sure the Philosopher&#039;s Stone would have.  He realized he needed a neuroscientist.  Calling his good friend Daniel Dennett on the phone at 3am, he was given advice.  He would obviously have to kill Dennett, he knew too much, but he had the phone number of the best neurologist in the country.  He realized he would have to become the Philosopher&#039;s Stone himself, his brain primed by this device utilizing the secrets he so fortuitously discovered...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many months later, there were some snags.  He realized he would essentially have to build a computer smarter than a human being to compute the necessarily probabalities and provide a framework for the manifestation of the chaotic engine he was sure the Philosopher&#8217;s Stone would have.  He realized he needed a neuroscientist.  Calling his good friend Daniel Dennett on the phone at 3am, he was given advice.  He would obviously have to kill Dennett, he knew too much, but he had the phone number of the best neurologist in the country.  He realized he would have to become the Philosopher&#8217;s Stone himself, his brain primed by this device utilizing the secrets he so fortuitously discovered&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: John Goes</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Goes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 15:29:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder why it is that modern scientists are under the delusion that science is a method by which spiritual/philosophical gnosis is to be had.

Here&#039;s a scientist-fiction scenario: respectable theoretical physicist, stuck on his research, is at the renowned university library walking aimlessly through the stacks, when he discovers an obscure book he hadn&#039;t noticed before.  The book is an alchemical text, apparently centuries old.  Fascinated, he reads it in its esoteric entirety, seeing glimpses of the thing he is searching for.  But how to formalize this with the rigor of mathematics, he exclaims to himself!?  His colleagues begin to notice changes in his demeanor, he stops comb his hair and sleeps in his clothes and avoids everyone at all costs.  The philosopher&#039;s stone was a folk psychological, pre-scientific, inchoate perception of the Holy Grail of science, the Unified Theory.  String theory was a good start, but there was something missing here.  It&#039;s non-testability was a good start, but there lacked a vision.  The scientist was part of the physical world as much as that which he studied, the philosopher&#039;s stone was the technological feat that would once and for all bridge the gap between scientist and his Object of study, &quot;mind&quot; and matter.  It would transform the lead of the soul into pure energy, which would lead to the next level of evolution.  The scraps of string theory and the prescient archetypal mappings of the early alchemists provided the theoretical foundation.  He secretly began to contact engineers he could trust with his secret, as he began preparations to build his machine.  Immortality, Cosmic Gold, he could taste it...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder why it is that modern scientists are under the delusion that science is a method by which spiritual/philosophical gnosis is to be had.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a scientist-fiction scenario: respectable theoretical physicist, stuck on his research, is at the renowned university library walking aimlessly through the stacks, when he discovers an obscure book he hadn&#8217;t noticed before.  The book is an alchemical text, apparently centuries old.  Fascinated, he reads it in its esoteric entirety, seeing glimpses of the thing he is searching for.  But how to formalize this with the rigor of mathematics, he exclaims to himself!?  His colleagues begin to notice changes in his demeanor, he stops comb his hair and sleeps in his clothes and avoids everyone at all costs.  The philosopher&#8217;s stone was a folk psychological, pre-scientific, inchoate perception of the Holy Grail of science, the Unified Theory.  String theory was a good start, but there was something missing here.  It&#8217;s non-testability was a good start, but there lacked a vision.  The scientist was part of the physical world as much as that which he studied, the philosopher&#8217;s stone was the technological feat that would once and for all bridge the gap between scientist and his Object of study, &#8220;mind&#8221; and matter.  It would transform the lead of the soul into pure energy, which would lead to the next level of evolution.  The scraps of string theory and the prescient archetypal mappings of the early alchemists provided the theoretical foundation.  He secretly began to contact engineers he could trust with his secret, as he began preparations to build his machine.  Immortality, Cosmic Gold, he could taste it&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: LP</title>
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		<dc:creator>LP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 00:54:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I get your point here, but I can&#039;t help noticing where one of the researchers says that this combination of randomness and determinism &quot;could form the biological foundation for what we &lt;i&gt;experience&lt;/i&gt; as free will.&quot; I think this is different than saying that free will exists, and consists of this &#039;randomized determinism.&#039; I think you could construe this to mean that (the researcher thinks that) free will doesn&#039;t really exist &#039;out there&#039; at all, and the phrase merely describes what it feels like to exist in a state of &#039;randomized determinism.&#039; &lt;br /&gt; Sorry to nitpick.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I get your point here, but I can&#8217;t help noticing where one of the researchers says that this combination of randomness and determinism &#8220;could form the biological foundation for what we <i>experience</i> as free will.&#8221; I think this is different than saying that free will exists, and consists of this &#8216;randomized determinism.&#8217; I think you could construe this to mean that (the researcher thinks that) free will doesn&#8217;t really exist &#8216;out there&#8217; at all, and the phrase merely describes what it feels like to exist in a state of &#8216;randomized determinism.&#8217; <br /> Sorry to nitpick.</p>
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