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	<title>Comments on: School Shootings as Proof of God</title>
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	<description>Just another geek in the geek kingdom</description>
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		<title>By: Rue Des Quatre Vents</title>
		<link>http://www.juliansanchez.com/2007/04/19/school-shootings-as-proof-of-god/comment-page-1/#comment-2061</link>
		<dc:creator>Rue Des Quatre Vents</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2007 00:30:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fair enough.

What explanations do you...the royal you...seek other than your gestures at neuroscience and the bad experiences in the past that made little Johnny rotten? Surely these cannot be enough?


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair enough.</p>
<p>What explanations do you&#8230;the royal you&#8230;seek other than your gestures at neuroscience and the bad experiences in the past that made little Johnny rotten? Surely these cannot be enough?</p>
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		<title>By: Julian Sanchez</title>
		<link>http://www.juliansanchez.com/2007/04/19/school-shootings-as-proof-of-god/comment-page-1/#comment-2060</link>
		<dc:creator>Julian Sanchez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2007 21:16:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know what to say here; you&#039;ve made a series of assertions that all seem pretty self-evidently false to me.  Why should we think any of these things are likely to be true?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know what to say here; you&#8217;ve made a series of assertions that all seem pretty self-evidently false to me.  Why should we think any of these things are likely to be true?</p>
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		<title>By: Rue Des Quatre Vents</title>
		<link>http://www.juliansanchez.com/2007/04/19/school-shootings-as-proof-of-god/comment-page-1/#comment-2059</link>
		<dc:creator>Rue Des Quatre Vents</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2007 18:31:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;So rare that I think it does bear repeating that &#039;he did it because he&#039;s evil&#039; is, if not never, then very nearly never an adequate or useful explanation.&quot;

One bad act does not make a person bad, but enough will. If these acts have features that give rise to the property of being bad and these features are the reasons that a person gives for having committed these acts, then that person is acting on bad reasons BECAUSE they&#039;re bad.

This is valuable information about this person&#039;s psychology and it&#039;s explanatory.

Stalin, as I understand, did not pursue murderous policy with good intentions. On the contrary, he effected these things precisely because they were evil.

Sadists are similar, only different in degree.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;So rare that I think it does bear repeating that &#8216;he did it because he&#8217;s evil&#8217; is, if not never, then very nearly never an adequate or useful explanation.&#8221;</p>
<p>One bad act does not make a person bad, but enough will. If these acts have features that give rise to the property of being bad and these features are the reasons that a person gives for having committed these acts, then that person is acting on bad reasons BECAUSE they&#8217;re bad.</p>
<p>This is valuable information about this person&#8217;s psychology and it&#8217;s explanatory.</p>
<p>Stalin, as I understand, did not pursue murderous policy with good intentions. On the contrary, he effected these things precisely because they were evil.</p>
<p>Sadists are similar, only different in degree.</p>
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		<title>By: Julian Sanchez</title>
		<link>http://www.juliansanchez.com/2007/04/19/school-shootings-as-proof-of-god/comment-page-1/#comment-2058</link>
		<dc:creator>Julian Sanchez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2007 01:09:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Some people, who are not characters in movies, do in fact do things because that&#039;s the evil thing to do. In which case, the idea of evil is explanatory.&quot;

I suppose there may well be such people, but I doubt it of any of the cases you&#039;ve suggested; if such folks do exist outside movies, they&#039;re vanishingly rare.  So rare that I think it does bear repeating that &quot;he did it &lt;i&gt;because&lt;/i&gt; he&#039;s evil&quot; is, if not never, then very nearly never an adequate or useful explanation.

I have no idea what prompted the leap to &quot;the&quot; alternative you&#039;ve suggested, but I rather doubt anyone believes this weird doctrine of &quot;opposite-day&quot; morality either.

What surely is true is that some people (mistakenly) regard their evil acts as good&#8212;though not in some silly Bizarro-type inversion, where the evaluative poles are just reversed, and all that had been evil is now regarded as good.  Stalin, for instance, may have believed that his brutal actions were necessary to the creation of some future utopia, and that they were thereby justified&#8212;both an empirical and a moral error, to be sure.  Or he may just have been indifferent to moral considerations.  Either way, though, none of the interesting explanatory work is done by the broad category &quot;evil.&quot;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Some people, who are not characters in movies, do in fact do things because that&#8217;s the evil thing to do. In which case, the idea of evil is explanatory.&#8221;</p>
<p>I suppose there may well be such people, but I doubt it of any of the cases you&#8217;ve suggested; if such folks do exist outside movies, they&#8217;re vanishingly rare.  So rare that I think it does bear repeating that &#8220;he did it <i>because</i> he&#8217;s evil&#8221; is, if not never, then very nearly never an adequate or useful explanation.</p>
<p>I have no idea what prompted the leap to &#8220;the&#8221; alternative you&#8217;ve suggested, but I rather doubt anyone believes this weird doctrine of &#8220;opposite-day&#8221; morality either.</p>
<p>What surely is true is that some people (mistakenly) regard their evil acts as good&mdash;though not in some silly Bizarro-type inversion, where the evaluative poles are just reversed, and all that had been evil is now regarded as good.  Stalin, for instance, may have believed that his brutal actions were necessary to the creation of some future utopia, and that they were thereby justified&mdash;both an empirical and a moral error, to be sure.  Or he may just have been indifferent to moral considerations.  Either way, though, none of the interesting explanatory work is done by the broad category &#8220;evil.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Rue Des Quatre Vents</title>
		<link>http://www.juliansanchez.com/2007/04/19/school-shootings-as-proof-of-god/comment-page-1/#comment-2057</link>
		<dc:creator>Rue Des Quatre Vents</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Apr 2007 23:54:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neuroscience aside, I&#039;m interested in your view of evil as a description and not as explanation. I haven&#039;t read Cho&#039;s statements, so it could be the case that his motivation to kill did not depend on that being evil. However, it is foolish of you to think that it might not have been--if not with Cho, then with Stalin, if not with Stalin, then with Gary Gilmore. You choose. Some people, who are not characters in movies, do in fact do things because that&#039;s the evil thing to do. In which case, the idea of evil is explanatory.

The alternative view is say that what&#039;s good for the psycho killer is bad for us. But this overlooks too much. If the psycho killer was nice to a child one day, would we say that that was a bad day by his morality? Would he? Doubt it.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neuroscience aside, I&#8217;m interested in your view of evil as a description and not as explanation. I haven&#8217;t read Cho&#8217;s statements, so it could be the case that his motivation to kill did not depend on that being evil. However, it is foolish of you to think that it might not have been&#8211;if not with Cho, then with Stalin, if not with Stalin, then with Gary Gilmore. You choose. Some people, who are not characters in movies, do in fact do things because that&#8217;s the evil thing to do. In which case, the idea of evil is explanatory.</p>
<p>The alternative view is say that what&#8217;s good for the psycho killer is bad for us. But this overlooks too much. If the psycho killer was nice to a child one day, would we say that that was a bad day by his morality? Would he? Doubt it.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Moore</title>
		<link>http://www.juliansanchez.com/2007/04/19/school-shootings-as-proof-of-god/comment-page-1/#comment-2056</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2007 20:35:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are lots of atheist douchebags!  I&#039;m an atheist, and I know other atheists who are definitely excessively rude to religious people, or just people in general.  It turns out though, that the ratio of douchebaggery to non-douchebaggery is pretty unrelated to your religious views.  I tend to think they would have been jerks no matter their religious beliefs.  Although perhaps I just responded here so I could use the word &quot;douchebag&quot; a whole bunch.

And hello again, Jason!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are lots of atheist douchebags!  I&#8217;m an atheist, and I know other atheists who are definitely excessively rude to religious people, or just people in general.  It turns out though, that the ratio of douchebaggery to non-douchebaggery is pretty unrelated to your religious views.  I tend to think they would have been jerks no matter their religious beliefs.  Although perhaps I just responded here so I could use the word &#8220;douchebag&#8221; a whole bunch.</p>
<p>And hello again, Jason!</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://www.juliansanchez.com/2007/04/19/school-shootings-as-proof-of-god/comment-page-1/#comment-2055</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2007 19:52:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Which is to say, some of us aren&#039;t enormous douchebags.&quot;

So it does bring up a slightly interesting point: Where are the athiest douchebags? Is it just that we are so marginalized the any douchebaggery from our camp doesn&#039;t even register?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Which is to say, some of us aren&#8217;t enormous douchebags.&#8221;</p>
<p>So it does bring up a slightly interesting point: Where are the athiest douchebags? Is it just that we are so marginalized the any douchebaggery from our camp doesn&#8217;t even register?</p>
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		<title>By: steveintheknow</title>
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		<dc:creator>steveintheknow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2007 16:56:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A tragedy, and a D&#039;Souza brain turd. Two great tastes that taste great together! I hope he enjoys a long and successful career. So bad it’s good. I think I am going to watch Death Wish 3 tonight. Out of tribute of course.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A tragedy, and a D&#8217;Souza brain turd. Two great tastes that taste great together! I hope he enjoys a long and successful career. So bad it’s good. I think I am going to watch Death Wish 3 tonight. Out of tribute of course.</p>
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		<title>By: Blar</title>
		<link>http://www.juliansanchez.com/2007/04/19/school-shootings-as-proof-of-god/comment-page-1/#comment-2053</link>
		<dc:creator>Blar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2007 06:28:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What, no link for &lt;a href=&quot;http://obsidianwings.blogs.com/obsidian_wings/2007/04/at_last.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Hilzoy &lt;/a&gt;?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What, no link for <a href="http://obsidianwings.blogs.com/obsidian_wings/2007/04/at_last.html" rel="nofollow">Hilzoy </a>?</p>
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