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		<title>By: MQ</title>
		<link>http://www.juliansanchez.com/2007/01/15/in-defense-of-my-retroactive-smugness/comment-page-1/#comment-1534</link>
		<dc:creator>MQ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jan 2007 22:09:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And Megan is an ideologue, who uses her intellect to justify the pre-cooked conclusions of her ideology.  This actually makes her *less* intelligent and thoughtful than people who probably have much lower measured IQs than she does.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And Megan is an ideologue, who uses her intellect to justify the pre-cooked conclusions of her ideology.  This actually makes her *less* intelligent and thoughtful than people who probably have much lower measured IQs than she does.</p>
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		<title>By: MQ</title>
		<link>http://www.juliansanchez.com/2007/01/15/in-defense-of-my-retroactive-smugness/comment-page-1/#comment-1533</link>
		<dc:creator>MQ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jan 2007 22:07:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doug: this war was not a matter of an innocent mistake by smart people.  The foolishness of the war was evident beforehand and deliberately ignored.  This is criminal negligence.  That is why people are angry.  You should not feel dirty to be on the same side as people who actually take it seriously when their country is deeply harmed by bad decisionmaking, as opposed to waving it off.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug: this war was not a matter of an innocent mistake by smart people.  The foolishness of the war was evident beforehand and deliberately ignored.  This is criminal negligence.  That is why people are angry.  You should not feel dirty to be on the same side as people who actually take it seriously when their country is deeply harmed by bad decisionmaking, as opposed to waving it off.</p>
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		<title>By: rea</title>
		<link>http://www.juliansanchez.com/2007/01/15/in-defense-of-my-retroactive-smugness/comment-page-1/#comment-1532</link>
		<dc:creator>rea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jan 2007 18:56:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ms. Galt famously called for antiwar protestors to be beaten over the head with 2x4&#039;s.  It&#039;s not surprising, therefore, to find that her account of what the antiwar side was saying at the time leaves something to be desired--she was not listening.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ms. Galt famously called for antiwar protestors to be beaten over the head with 2&#215;4&#8242;s.  It&#8217;s not surprising, therefore, to find that her account of what the antiwar side was saying at the time leaves something to be desired&#8211;she was not listening.</p>
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		<title>By: pseudonymous in nc</title>
		<link>http://www.juliansanchez.com/2007/01/15/in-defense-of-my-retroactive-smugness/comment-page-1/#comment-1531</link>
		<dc:creator>pseudonymous in nc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jan 2007 09:45:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Even when you&#039;re right, you&#039;re so appallingly arrogant.&lt;/i&gt;

How exactly is it &#039;arrogant&#039;? It&#039;s the same desire manifest after hearing the most awful auditioners in American Idol: we wish them no harm, provided their singing voice never assaults us again.

It&#039;s Megan who should consider the benefits of humility. Is it really too much to ask that she sit out pontificating the next war?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Even when you&#8217;re right, you&#8217;re so appallingly arrogant.</i></p>
<p>How exactly is it &#8216;arrogant&#8217;? It&#8217;s the same desire manifest after hearing the most awful auditioners in American Idol: we wish them no harm, provided their singing voice never assaults us again.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s Megan who should consider the benefits of humility. Is it really too much to ask that she sit out pontificating the next war?</p>
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		<title>By: Dan S.</title>
		<link>http://www.juliansanchez.com/2007/01/15/in-defense-of-my-retroactive-smugness/comment-page-1/#comment-1530</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jan 2007 00:16:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot; I supported the war before hand&quot;

And as such weren&#039;t exposed to the constant rain of vomit and incessant hurling of feces  that those of us did oppose the war were subjected to - which probably influences our reactions a bit now.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; I supported the war before hand&#8221;</p>
<p>And as such weren&#8217;t exposed to the constant rain of vomit and incessant hurling of feces  that those of us did oppose the war were subjected to &#8211; which probably influences our reactions a bit now.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon H</title>
		<link>http://www.juliansanchez.com/2007/01/15/in-defense-of-my-retroactive-smugness/comment-page-1/#comment-1529</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jan 2007 06:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Megan wrotes: &quot; But more were incorrect, and are retrospectively taking credict for their superior forecasting ability based on hindsight bias. &quot;

Oh nonsense. It doesn&#039;t require &quot;hindsight bias&quot; to accurately predict a lifelong drunk, playboy, and failure would mess up any significant endeavor. It doesn&#039;t require &quot;hindsight bias&quot; to accurately predict that a utopian, utterly non-conservative project would fail.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Megan wrotes: &#8221; But more were incorrect, and are retrospectively taking credict for their superior forecasting ability based on hindsight bias. &#8221;</p>
<p>Oh nonsense. It doesn&#8217;t require &#8220;hindsight bias&#8221; to accurately predict a lifelong drunk, playboy, and failure would mess up any significant endeavor. It doesn&#8217;t require &#8220;hindsight bias&#8221; to accurately predict that a utopian, utterly non-conservative project would fail.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
		<link>http://www.juliansanchez.com/2007/01/15/in-defense-of-my-retroactive-smugness/comment-page-1/#comment-1528</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jan 2007 06:15:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aimai wrote &lt;i&gt;You know, I don&#039;t want megan mcardle or anyone else who was wrong about the war to &quot;bow down to me&quot; although I was, in fact, right about everything. I want her and her friends to dissapear from our national discourse entirely--I want them to take the position their wisdom and humanity assigns to them which is, when offered a chance to spout their specious, inaccurate, and barbaric opinions about matters of war and peace that they should SHUT UP. Their delusions, which include both the delusion of intelligence as well as the delusion of significance, can really only be atoned for by years in a monastery with an accompanying vow of poverty, silence, and self abnegation.&lt;/i&gt;

And you wonder why people like Megan are loathe to listen to you.  Even when you&#039;re right, you&#039;re so appallingly arrogant.  Megan&#039;s post was misguided and wrong headed.  I supported the war before hand, and I came out of the experience realizing just how little I understood about the Middle East, Sunnis, Shia&#039;s and Iraq.  It will certainly change my thinking about military action going forward.

That said, I can&#039;t help but feel dirty and asahmed to be on the same side as someone as horrid as Aimai.  Try a dose of humility, you all-knowing God, you.  Sheesh, the arrogance of some people.  Smart, intelligent people are wrong...all the time.  Even you, no matter who you are.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aimai wrote <i>You know, I don&#8217;t want megan mcardle or anyone else who was wrong about the war to &#8220;bow down to me&#8221; although I was, in fact, right about everything. I want her and her friends to dissapear from our national discourse entirely&#8211;I want them to take the position their wisdom and humanity assigns to them which is, when offered a chance to spout their specious, inaccurate, and barbaric opinions about matters of war and peace that they should SHUT UP. Their delusions, which include both the delusion of intelligence as well as the delusion of significance, can really only be atoned for by years in a monastery with an accompanying vow of poverty, silence, and self abnegation.</i></p>
<p>And you wonder why people like Megan are loathe to listen to you.  Even when you&#8217;re right, you&#8217;re so appallingly arrogant.  Megan&#8217;s post was misguided and wrong headed.  I supported the war before hand, and I came out of the experience realizing just how little I understood about the Middle East, Sunnis, Shia&#8217;s and Iraq.  It will certainly change my thinking about military action going forward.</p>
<p>That said, I can&#8217;t help but feel dirty and asahmed to be on the same side as someone as horrid as Aimai.  Try a dose of humility, you all-knowing God, you.  Sheesh, the arrogance of some people.  Smart, intelligent people are wrong&#8230;all the time.  Even you, no matter who you are.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon H</title>
		<link>http://www.juliansanchez.com/2007/01/15/in-defense-of-my-retroactive-smugness/comment-page-1/#comment-1527</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jan 2007 07:33:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, basically, Megan is a believer in the &quot;wisdom of crowds &lt;i&gt;BUT DEAR GOD NOT THOSE FREAKS&lt;/i&gt;&quot;.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, basically, Megan is a believer in the &#8220;wisdom of crowds <i>BUT DEAR GOD NOT THOSE FREAKS</i>&#8220;.</p>
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		<title>By: Gregory</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gregory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jan 2007 00:46:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Besides, McArdle is being -- surprise, surprise! -- disingenuous when she talks about &lt;i&gt;predictions&lt;/i&gt; as opposed to &lt;i&gt;risks&lt;/i&gt;.  Even if Saddam never used mustard gas on our troops, it was quite rightly pointed out as a risk.

Meanwhile, the &quot;risks&quot; of not invading so shrilly touted by the prowar side -- nuclear weapons carried by balsa wood drones piloted by al Qaeda; hell, the notion that Iraq posed &lt;i&gt;any threat at all&lt;/i&gt; to the US -- never did pass the smell test.

If someone gets drunk, insists on driving, and insists that everything will turn out just fine, and one responds by noting that driving drunk could result in a totaled car, an arrest, the driver or someone else getting killed, all of those are &lt;i&gt;perfectly valid risks&lt;/i&gt;.  If the drunk proceeds to total the car and get arrested, he or she doesn&#039;t get to point out that no one got killed to claim that his or her dissuaders &quot;got their predictions wrong.&quot;

Even if they&#039;re &lt;i&gt;reflexively opposed&lt;/i&gt; to driving drunk.

Given McArdle&#039;s obvious affinity for straw men, it&#039;s clear that if she doesn&#039;t recall the antiwar arguments, it&#039;s because she was never listening -- deafened by the drums of war she was banging, perhaps.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Besides, McArdle is being &#8212; surprise, surprise! &#8212; disingenuous when she talks about <i>predictions</i> as opposed to <i>risks</i>.  Even if Saddam never used mustard gas on our troops, it was quite rightly pointed out as a risk.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, the &#8220;risks&#8221; of not invading so shrilly touted by the prowar side &#8212; nuclear weapons carried by balsa wood drones piloted by al Qaeda; hell, the notion that Iraq posed <i>any threat at all</i> to the US &#8212; never did pass the smell test.</p>
<p>If someone gets drunk, insists on driving, and insists that everything will turn out just fine, and one responds by noting that driving drunk could result in a totaled car, an arrest, the driver or someone else getting killed, all of those are <i>perfectly valid risks</i>.  If the drunk proceeds to total the car and get arrested, he or she doesn&#8217;t get to point out that no one got killed to claim that his or her dissuaders &#8220;got their predictions wrong.&#8221;</p>
<p>Even if they&#8217;re <i>reflexively opposed</i> to driving drunk.</p>
<p>Given McArdle&#8217;s obvious affinity for straw men, it&#8217;s clear that if she doesn&#8217;t recall the antiwar arguments, it&#8217;s because she was never listening &#8212; deafened by the drums of war she was banging, perhaps.</p>
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		<title>By: Gregory</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gregory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jan 2007 22:35:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting.  If memory serves me right, a lot of the antiwar position was that Bush&#039;s justifications didn&#039;t add up, whereas war cheerleaders like Galt insisted we should trust him.

Indeed, I&#039;d say that for many, their distrust of Bush could be called &lt;i&gt;reflexive&lt;/i&gt;.

Which camp was right on that score, Galt?  Whose credibility has sunk right along the S.S. Bush&#039;s?

(For my part, I opposed the war mostly for the same reasons George H.W. Bush and Colin Powell cited for not taking Baghdad in 1991, and &lt;i&gt;I&lt;/i&gt; for one don&#039;t remember the hawks addressing their position with anything but predictions of being &quot;greeted as liberators.  Chumps.)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting.  If memory serves me right, a lot of the antiwar position was that Bush&#8217;s justifications didn&#8217;t add up, whereas war cheerleaders like Galt insisted we should trust him.</p>
<p>Indeed, I&#8217;d say that for many, their distrust of Bush could be called <i>reflexive</i>.</p>
<p>Which camp was right on that score, Galt?  Whose credibility has sunk right along the S.S. Bush&#8217;s?</p>
<p>(For my part, I opposed the war mostly for the same reasons George H.W. Bush and Colin Powell cited for not taking Baghdad in 1991, and <i>I</i> for one don&#8217;t remember the hawks addressing their position with anything but predictions of being &#8220;greeted as liberators.  Chumps.)</p>
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