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	<title>Comments on: When Is a Side Constraint Not a Side Constraint?</title>
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		<title>By: Jadagul</title>
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		<description>Always liked the Nozick quote; back when I debated in high school I could recite it from memory.

For the ticking-time-bomb scenario, I think Ayn Rand, actually, was close to the right answer.  If you try to use any system for something it wasn&#039;t designed for, it&#039;s going to fall apart.  If you apply Newtonian mechanics to subatomic high-energy interactions, you&#039;ll get the wrong answer.  If you try to build a house with the same carpentry techniques you use for a bookshelf, it&#039;ll fall apart.  There are enough conditions tacked on to the front of the time-bomb hypothetical to make it almost totally irrelevant to real life, which is where we need morality to operate.

A large part of the reason for side-constraints&#8212;especially constraints on what we can do to bad people&#8212;comes from our lack of knowledge: we don&#039;t know that we have the right guy, we don&#039;t know that torturing him will help, we don&#039;t know that deciding to torture him won&#039;t lead us to torture in less acceptable circumstances, we don&#039;t know that the threat is actually valid.  If you abstract away all uncertainty you can take more drastic actions, because you&#039;re more sure they&#039;ll work.  But that doesn&#039;t help us.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Always liked the Nozick quote; back when I debated in high school I could recite it from memory.</p>
<p>For the ticking-time-bomb scenario, I think Ayn Rand, actually, was close to the right answer.  If you try to use any system for something it wasn&#8217;t designed for, it&#8217;s going to fall apart.  If you apply Newtonian mechanics to subatomic high-energy interactions, you&#8217;ll get the wrong answer.  If you try to build a house with the same carpentry techniques you use for a bookshelf, it&#8217;ll fall apart.  There are enough conditions tacked on to the front of the time-bomb hypothetical to make it almost totally irrelevant to real life, which is where we need morality to operate.</p>
<p>A large part of the reason for side-constraints&mdash;especially constraints on what we can do to bad people&mdash;comes from our lack of knowledge: we don&#8217;t know that we have the right guy, we don&#8217;t know that torturing him will help, we don&#8217;t know that deciding to torture him won&#8217;t lead us to torture in less acceptable circumstances, we don&#8217;t know that the threat is actually valid.  If you abstract away all uncertainty you can take more drastic actions, because you&#8217;re more sure they&#8217;ll work.  But that doesn&#8217;t help us.</p>
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