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	<title>Comments on: Fraternizing with the Enemy</title>
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		<title>By: Kate</title>
		<link>http://www.juliansanchez.com/2005/07/05/fraternizing-with-the-enemy/comment-page-1/#comment-640</link>
		<dc:creator>Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jul 2005 01:36:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well you made a very pragmatic argument for objectivists working with libertarians, however objectivists cannot abide pragmatism...

I think you are right that it is wrong to say &quot;[a]dvocacy of the proper political philosophy can proceed only from the proper objective moral foundation.&quot;  However, what one might want or expect from such advocacy likely depends on the philosophy of one&#039;s allies.

There is a good argument that join up with, for example, utilitarians or pragmatists than the results are going to be muddled.  If victories are won &quot;purely&quot; then the principles on which the win was based will further the objectivist philosophy and their causes.

To steal an example from someone, I cannot remember from whom, it is like forming an alliance with everyone&#039;s favorite utilitarian,  Judge Posner.  Sure, at times our goals happen to align, but do I really want our joint victories to be secured in part by a person who thinks &quot;justice&quot; is a useless term?  Any such victory would be prone to fail for lack of a proper foundation and/or may serve to further his viewpoint.

Of course I was just arguing the other day that it is counter-productive for my libertarian/objectivist father to decide to stop sending money to a libertarian organization because of what he thought was their pointedly non-objectivist, treatment of Ms. Rand&#039;s 100th birthday this past winter.  So, I don&#039;t think that the refusal to &#039;make common cause with&#039; libertarians is a good idea, I just that there is a better argument for it than the one you refuted above.  Of course, I am only a self-described, &quot;quasi-objectivist.&quot;  (imagine how long my comment would be if I were a true believer).

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well you made a very pragmatic argument for objectivists working with libertarians, however objectivists cannot abide pragmatism&#8230;</p>
<p>I think you are right that it is wrong to say &#8220;[a]dvocacy of the proper political philosophy can proceed only from the proper objective moral foundation.&#8221;  However, what one might want or expect from such advocacy likely depends on the philosophy of one&#8217;s allies.</p>
<p>There is a good argument that join up with, for example, utilitarians or pragmatists than the results are going to be muddled.  If victories are won &#8220;purely&#8221; then the principles on which the win was based will further the objectivist philosophy and their causes.</p>
<p>To steal an example from someone, I cannot remember from whom, it is like forming an alliance with everyone&#8217;s favorite utilitarian,  Judge Posner.  Sure, at times our goals happen to align, but do I really want our joint victories to be secured in part by a person who thinks &#8220;justice&#8221; is a useless term?  Any such victory would be prone to fail for lack of a proper foundation and/or may serve to further his viewpoint.</p>
<p>Of course I was just arguing the other day that it is counter-productive for my libertarian/objectivist father to decide to stop sending money to a libertarian organization because of what he thought was their pointedly non-objectivist, treatment of Ms. Rand&#8217;s 100th birthday this past winter.  So, I don&#8217;t think that the refusal to &#8216;make common cause with&#8217; libertarians is a good idea, I just that there is a better argument for it than the one you refuted above.  Of course, I am only a self-described, &#8220;quasi-objectivist.&#8221;  (imagine how long my comment would be if I were a true believer).</p>
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		<title>By: jeet</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jul 2005 15:53:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I faced an analogous dilemma with the Iraq War. I opposed it because it was a distraction from al-Qaeda but couldn&#039;t stomach standing shoulder-to-shoulder with the likes of ANSWER.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I faced an analogous dilemma with the Iraq War. I opposed it because it was a distraction from al-Qaeda but couldn&#8217;t stomach standing shoulder-to-shoulder with the likes of ANSWER.</p>
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		<title>By: M</title>
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		<dc:creator>M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2005 05:08:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, which group of wacos are the Randians supposed to be in the above parable?  I can see them having characteristics of both chiropractors and faith-healers, and just want to make sure I get things straight!  ;)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, which group of wacos are the Randians supposed to be in the above parable?  I can see them having characteristics of both chiropractors and faith-healers, and just want to make sure I get things straight!  <img src='http://www.juliansanchez.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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